Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

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deadlock
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Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby deadlock » Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:20 am

KBS broadcasted that Eastern China was a colony of Baekje.


KBS: Eastern China was a part of Baekje 5/7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmsLc_YBOQ8
KBS: Eastern China was a colony of Baekje
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDv2VfFLUAU&NR=1


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KBS: Korean Civilization
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn6FmBbW_Kk&feature=related
KBS: Korean Civilization 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AWIZfyJGq0&NR=1

"The vast land of the Manju, which is now Chinese territory, has a living and breathing history of Korean ancestors."
"The discovery of 5000 year old Goddess statues in Oct 1984, have shocked the Chinese archaeological society."
"The excavation reveals the sign of the birth of new civilization."
"Among East Asian Civilization, this area has the oldest and most developed civilization."
"This has been termed 'Yoha Civilization'."
"Prof. Yi Hyunggyu who has studied 'Yoha Civilization' for 30 years declares that Yoha civilization is strongly related with us Koreans, not Chinese."
"In Wuharyan, 5500 year old remains along with the temple of the Goddess are concentrated."

KBS: Korean Civilization 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr0ML3aaRCQ&NR=1

"Since the 1980s, the cultures older and more developed than Yellow River civilization have been discovered in northeastan asia, outside the chinese wall."
"However, recently, as a huge number of ancient historic sites and remains have been unearthed in northern asia, outside the wall, they are now trying to
make the rich cultures proven from the discoveries the root of the Hua civilization, which is a self-contradictory non-sense."
"China has got upset with the fact that outside the chinese wall (northeastern asia), more developed civilization than the Hua civilization (Chinese civilization) has been
found:"

deadlock
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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby deadlock » Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:30 am

比日本兵更残暴的朝鲜人!(转)

文章提交者:逍遥飞翔 加贴在 环球风云 铁血论坛 http://bbs.tiexue.net/bbs33-0-1.html


所周知:二战中奥地利是最早被纳粹德国占领与吞并的国家,也是被纳粹最早荼毒的民族之一!有数十万奥地利的年轻人被迫充当了纳粹的炮灰,死在异国他乡。奥地利这个国家可以说是悲惨之极,直到1945年才被苏联军队解放!

  但是,战争结束后,首任奥地利总统卡尔.伦纳尔却出人意料的向全世界宣布:我们奥地利虽然是二战的受害国,却也是纳粹德国帮凶国。我们决不推托责任,奥地利政府要向在奥地利被占领期间被杀害的犹太人和其它被奥地利所伤害的国家和人民道歉,并做出力所能及的赔偿!  

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  当这个老人发表了这个举世瞩目的演说后,全世界绝大部分国家被感动了!但是奥地利从此受到了国际社会的极大尊重,奥地利的人民也被称为“有良心的民族”!  

  当我头一次看到这个资料的时候我被深深的感动了!

  但是在东方,与我们中国相连的两个国家,却让我觉得深深的不齿——它们就是韩国与朝鲜!

  朝鲜从唐代起就是中国的属国,“朝鲜”这个名称乃明太祖朱元璋所赐之名。明清两代,中国曾多次出兵帮助他们抵抗日本的入侵,1894年的中日甲午战争就因日本侵略朝鲜而起。由于中国在此次战争中惨败,朝鲜半岛被日本非法占领了半个世纪,朝鲜民族所受的压迫的确很令我们同情!

  在日本占领朝鲜期间,的确有一帮不愿做亡国奴的朝鲜人,他们可分为三类:一部分流亡中国,并得到当时中国政府的同情和支持,组成了大韩民国临时政府,以金九为代表,曾于1942年成功刺杀了日军上海派遣军司令官白川义则大将,并组织过以宣传为主的朝鲜义勇军;第二部分流亡美国做寓公,也在美国做过宣传抗日的工作,以李乘晚为代表;第三部分是坚持在朝鲜和东北做抗日活动的人士,其中部份加入了中国的东北抗日联军,1942年牺牲的抗联第三路军总参谋长许亨植、抗联第七军军长崔石泉(崔庸健,后来曾任朝鲜副主席)等人就是朝鲜族人,金日成在抗联则担任过第二军第六师师长。

  然而,日本在朝鲜半岛大力推行的“皇民化运动”、“创氏改姓”等奴化朝鲜人的政策的确取得了空前的成就。朝鲜亡国五十年,既少有游击队的反抗,也没有大规模的暴动,95%的韩国人改了日本姓、说日本话,安份守已地做日本人的“顺民”,韩国那位被杀的总统朴正熙总统即为日本士官学校的高材生。1931年日本发动侵华战争后,许多朝鲜人更是心甘情愿、争先恐后地加入侵华日军,许多朝鲜人在中国所犯下的罪行比真正的日军更加令人发指。

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  二战结束后,朝鲜半岛成立两个新的国家,北边还叫朝鲜,南边则叫是韩国(朝鲜语中“韩”和“汉”是同义)。在60年的岁月中,他们都取得了不小成绩,令人刮目相看,而他们所谓的民族自豪感和野心也大为增强。二战纪念日与国庆日的时候,它们总是一遍又一遍的对自己也是对其它国家说:我们是二战的“受害者”,是被“奴役”过的民族,所以我们“有权利”向其它的国家提出要求,其中又以韩国最为嚣张! 

  每当中国人与朝鲜或韩国的政府官员和一些民间人士有所接触,在谈论到二战中朝鲜与日本的关系时,他们总是异口同声的表示:我们朝鲜民族是日本对外侵略的“最大”受害者,我们一直没有放弃抵抗,我们在战争中破坏日本很多的工业设备,我们对结束二战起了十分巨大的作用!但是,当中国人提道“朝鲜人在日本殖民中国东北的时候,却是最积极的参与者,甚至比日本人还要热心,以及在日本军队中的朝鲜士兵人数和他们的所作所为”时,这些人却往往是把话题岔开。或者说我不太了解这个方面的事情,这样的谈话自然也就无法进行不下去了!

  是韩国人真的不知道这方面的历史吗?还是他们在有意回避些什么呢?事实上,有中国人在韩国的一些博物馆和图书馆惊讶地发现:在韩国的图书馆里,有很多在日本军队里当过兵的韩国人写的回忆录,以及一些学者对韩国人在三四十年代殖民中国东北所写的书;在街面上的书店里,这样的书也并不少见!

  而绝大部份(北)朝鲜人,他们应该是的确不知道。他们所接受的教育是:50年代的那场争是由他们的举世无双的统帅金日成带领他们独自战胜了美帝及其走狗,许多朝鲜人从来就没有听过“中国人民志愿军”这个词!可想而知,他们中又有谁知道他们的先辈当初在中国所做的那些事呢?

   一句话:韩国人的历史观可以与日本人并驾齐驱!而(北)朝鲜人则更甚一筹!

  在这里我只写我所知道的一些历史事实:

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 1、朝鲜亡国五十年,既少有游击队的反抗,也没有大规模的暴动,95%的韩国人改了日本姓、说日本话,安份守已地做日本人的“顺民”,韩国那位被杀的总统朴正熙总统即为日本士官学校的高材生。

  2、日本从1931--1945年向中国东北殖民130万,这是大家都知道的。大家不知道的是:从1931起,有90万朝鲜人也紧跟着日本人的屁股,陆续移民中国各地(因为政治原因,这一数据从未对外发表过)。

  日本之所以实行这样的的政策,最根本原因就是那些朝鲜人已经完全成为了日本人的忠实走狗,可以利用朝鲜移民加强粮食生产,满足侵略战争的需要,并且镇压中国百姓的反抗!

  3、据二战结束时缴获的日军档案记载:二战中日本侵华军队(陆军)有128万人(东北70万、华北华南58万人),加上在东南亚的日军(陆军)56万人,总数是184万。而朝鲜人在日军中服役的有42万,其中在中国的有35万。大家可以自己算一下所占比例有多高!

  而据日本防卫1973年统计更为恐怖:在约250万侵华日军中共有朝鲜籍士兵160万,其中在伪“满州国”军中就有38万。


  不排除有部份系日军强抓的。可是,数量如此之大,那日军总得有人看守他们呀!就算一个看10个,需要多少日军看守呀?

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  4、1937年,南京城因中华门城墙守城士兵打磕睡被日军攻破,第一个登城的就是高丽联队( 记载于日本1972年出版的《三光作战》,为日本侵华老兵从中国归还者协会老兵集体写作)。当日,整个朝鲜半岛可谓举国狂欢!在惨绝人寰的“南京大屠杀”之后,有5支日军因为“作战勇敢”受到日本天皇的奖励,其中就包括前面提到的高丽联队一个就是完全由3万朝鲜人组成的“鲜人部队”。战后远东法庭审判时,松井石根说在南京首先开始进行大屠杀和强奸中国妇女的,就是其下辖、同时也是最早进入南京城的“高丽联队”。

  有证据显示:在所有攻占南京城的日军部队中,朝鲜人所占比例高达40%!战后,很多日本人的回忆录中都提到过朝鲜军人对日本的“忠诚”。而这样的忠诚在中国人眼中就是残忍!

  南京大屠杀期间,《朝日新闻》曾登载了一张日本随军记者在南京所拍的照片,标题是“南京之战中的朝鲜勇士”。其主角出生于忠清南道,叫李虎巴,日本名字是武藏正雄,是参与南京大屠杀的日本15师团朝鲜联队的军曹。  

  一些当时幸存的老南京(当时是收尸队的)回忆,参与南京大屠杀的日军当中有相当大的一部分是日本从朝鲜征调的朝籍士兵,其残忍手段一点也不逊于日本兵。现住工人新村的南京汽车集团退休职工王克俭老人(81岁)回忆说:“很多不戴钢盔的鬼子兵(朝籍士兵,没钢盔戴)强奸女人后活活挖出女人的子宫再套在女人头上,把人活活窒息而死!还起名叫“从哪里来到哪里去”。妈了个B的,记住这帮杂种!”

  与之可相比的是,台湾人也曾被编入日军,但就是因为其不够“勇敢”只能大部分作为伙夫和挑夫出现,吴子牛的电影《南京大屠杀》中有这么个台湾兵角色,因为私自放走被掳掠的中国同胞,被其日本战友杀死。

    6、如果说那时朝韩是被日本并吞,没有办法,可二十多后的越南战争时,韩国总是独立的吧?然而,几十万韩国军人被韩国政府派往越南,可作为美军帮凶的韩国兵的名声却更差,烧杀淫掠,无凶不作!韩国兵的一大特点又是连妇女儿童也不放过,*幼女和老妇,相互比赛着将新生儿活活撕成两块,令越南百姓不寒而栗,其野蛮凶残列各侵越部队之首!只不过,至今此事在韩国国内仍是一大禁忌话题。

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  由此,朝韩两国之人的民族天性可见一斑!也许,朝鲜人的凶残是跟日本人学的,但他们的确是“青出蓝而胜于蓝”呀!

  7、1945年,日本终于宣布投降了!朝鲜可以结束被日本统治50年的惨痛历史了!按常理,国家自由、民族解放,人们应该欢欣鼓舞才对吧?然而,留给一名美军记者在日记中却写下了这样的话:“我来到的是一个什么样的国度呀?在这里我看不见一丝被解放的高兴气息,却犹如置身在日本一般,处处是哀号、哭泣、自杀!”

  据统计,在日本宣布投降后,有不下10万计的朝鲜人以各种形式自杀。

  8、朝鲜人和韩国人声嘶力竭高呼它们是二战受害国,被征用的朝鲜人只是充当了日军后勤人员、劳工而没有加入作战部队。如果真是这样,那么战后因为“针对虐杀、虐待俘虏及一般市民”的“通常的战争犯罪”而作为“原日本兵”受到审判、被定为乙级战犯的148名朝鲜半岛人(其中23人被处以死刑)从何而来?  

  至于朝鲜籍乙级战犯们在“皇军”中的地位和为“皇军”做出的贡献,请参考这几个同样是乙级战犯的倭狗:制造南京大屠杀的元凶谷寿夫、侵华日军第23军司令官酒井隆、侵华日军华南派遣军司令官田中久一等人吧!  

  附:日本军队中朝鲜军官

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  ▲将军级

  金应善 鱼 潭 王瑜植 李熙斗 洪思翊  

  ▲佐官级

  姜锡佑 康弼佑 高良弼 高永均 权承禄 金基元 金锡源 金亨燮 南宇铉

  朴斗荣 朴范集 朴胜薰 朴在兴 白洪锡 申应均 申泰英 安秉范 元容德 柳冀圣

  刘升烈 柳元孝 尹相弼 李大永 李秉规 李龙文 李应九 李应俊 李锺赞 李学来

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  李炯锡 李浩鎭 林 业 林在德 张然昌 全永宪 郑观秀 郑斗源 郑 炫 蔡秉德  

  ▲尉官级

  姜琪泰 姜东烈 姜在浩 桂炳辂 高起范 高俊峰 高俊烈 具东旭 权宁汉

  权泰翰 金东元 金东河 金明德 金白一 金思锡 金锡岚 金锡范 金声云 金成勋

  金纯善 金信道 金跃先 金 瑛 金永珏 金永禄 金泳秀 金永新 金玉琪 金龙纪

  金龙虎 金润根 金应祚 金仁旭 金一焕 金贞烈 金正晧 金贞熙 金锺硕 金锺植

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  金周赞 金埈元 金重圭 金振吉 金振武 金昌圭 金昌宇 金铁男 金忠男 金忠助

  金镐梁 金洪俊 都一平 明勇银 文履祯 文容彩 闵德镐 朴东均 朴东俊 朴奉祚

  朴元锡 朴林恒 朴正熙 朴昌夏 朴泰熙 方圆哲 方泰旭 白庆春 白善烨 白仁俊

  徐英哲 徐日宝 徐廷弼 石主岩 石希峰 孙炳日 宋锡夏 申尚澈 申鹤鎭 申铉俊

  安光铢 安永吉 安永耻 安益祚 安洪涛 杨国鎭 杨大鎭 杨振东 严柱明 廉昌燮

  呉俊杰 呉璡泳 禹锺铉 元容国 柳宽熙 刘光烈 兪原植 刘载兴 柳喜章 尹悳炳

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  尹士新 尹春根 李 珏 李绛宇 李圭一 李根默 李奇建 李德振 李东岩 李东俊

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  李龙星 李元衡 李宜丰 李济祯 李锺馨 李周一 李春城 李翰林 李亨根 李兴权

  李喜谦 林秉圭 张光烈 张箕春 张玑衡 张锡伦 张星熄 张星焕 张永锡 张裕根

  全南奎 田源上 丁来赫 郑祥秀 郑云鸿 郑殷熔 丁一权 郑一平 郑 勋 赵大镐

  赵秉权 赵性根 池麟泰 池章华 池振国 池治龙 车万载 车 荣 车淸一崔庆万

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  崔鸣夏 崔福洙 崔鹏俊 崔世昌 崔承业 崔贞根 崔周锺 崔昌植 崔昌彦 崔学珍

  韩镛显 洪 涛 洪文杰   

  朝鲜人和韩国人很喜欢说:朝鲜族在中国东北反抗日本统治和解放战争中,如何如何重要,甚至是如何发挥了主要的作用!然而,事实时,在东北那块土地上,各种抗日武装最强盛的时候有40万之众,而其中的朝鲜族人数最多时应该也没有超过一万,抗战胜利时则未超过4千人。解放战争时期,的确有不少朝鲜“移民”为了留在中国东北而参加解放军,人数也只有5万,只占四野总兵力的1/10,而后来他们大部分成了北朝鲜的第一支正规军。  
 
  朝鲜人,你们到底是一个什么样的民族呀?你们口口声声说自己受到了儒家文化的熏陶,但是儒家最珍视的礼仪廉耻、忠孝节义,却在你们这个不知廉耻、毫无信义的民族身上看不到一丝踪迹!一个民族想让人尊敬,能靠篡改历史来获得吗?向奥地利学习吧!这是我——一个普通的中国人对你们的规劝!

  还有那些哈韩族们:你们不是常常用用“反日”来作为哈韩亲韩的心理借口吗?好像中韩都曾受到日本侵略,这样我们就有了天然的共同感情,我们就应该更亲近韩国。请你们好好看看历史吧!

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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby deadlock » Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:31 am

South Korean Army Chief of Staff

Jung-Eun Lee
1948.12.15 - 1949.5.8 1948.12.15 - 1949.5.8
Japan Military Academy (the first stage 26, 1914) graduated
2 Two
Byondoku Choi
1949.5.9 - 1949.9.30 1949.5.9 - 1949.9.30
Japan Military Academy (1935) graduated
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신태영, Tae-Shin
1949.10.1 - 1950.4.9 1949.10.1 - 1950.4.9
Japan Military Academy (the first stage 26, 1914) graduated
4 Four
Byondoku Choi
1950.4.10 - 1950.6.29 1950.4.10 - 1950.6.29
Japan Military Academy (1935) graduated
5 Five
Irukuon Chung
1950.6.30 - 1951.6.22 1950.6.30 - 1951.6.22
Japan Military Academy Military Academy Manchukuo (55th term, 1941) graduated
6 Six
Jong-chan Lee (이종찬, Lee Jong-chan)
1951.6.23 - 1952.7.22 1951.6.23 - 1952.7.22
Japan Military Academy (49th term, 1937) graduated
7 7
Baek Sun-yup (백선엽, Sonyopu Baek)
1952.7.23 - 1954.2.13 1952.7.23 - 1954.2.13
Manchuria Military Academy (1941) graduate. English school year 1946 military
8 8
Chung Il-kwon (정일권, Irukuon Chung)
1954.2.14 - 1956.6.26 1954.2.14 - 1956.6.26
Japan Military Academy Military Academy Manchukuo (55th term, 1941) graduated
9 Nine
Hyung-Keun Lee (Matsuyama Takeo, 이형근, Lee Hyeong-geun)
1956.6.27 - 1957.5.17 1956.6.27 - 1957.5.17
Japan Military Academy (56th term, 1942) graduate. English school year 1946 military
10 Ten
Baek Sun-yup (백선엽, Sonyopu Baek)
1957.5.18 - 1959.2.22 1957.5.18 - 1959.2.22
Manchuria Military Academy (1941) graduate. English school year 1946 military
11 11
(송요찬, Yo-Chan Son)
1959.2.23 - 1960.5.22 1959.2.23 - 1960.5.22
1941 Japanese army sergeant
12 12
Eiki Choi (최영희, Choi Young-hee)
1960.5.23 - 1960.8.28 1960.5.23 - 1960.8.28
1946 years after graduating from military school English, graduated from Senshu University of Japan
13 13
Lu Kyung Choi (최경록, Gyonroku Choi)
1960.8.29 - 1961.2.16 1960.8.29 - 1961.2.16
English school year 1946 military
14 14
Zhang (장도영, Do Young Jang)
1961.2.17 - 1961.6.5 1961.2.17 - 1961.6.5
English school year 1946 military
15 Fifteen
Kim Jong-oh
1961.6.6 - 1963.5.31 1961.6.6 - 1963.5.31
Japanese Army soldier Year 1944
16 16
Ki Sik Min
1963.6.1 - 1965.3.31 1963.6.1 - 1965.3.31
Japanese Army soldier Year 1944

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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby deadlock » Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:32 am

Lt. General Hodge said Korea was an enemy of the United States.

After Japan's surrender to the Allies, division at the 38th parallel marked the beginning of Soviet and U.S. trusteeship over the North and South, respectively. U.S. forces landed at Incheon on September 8, 1945 and established a military government shortly thereafter. The forces landing at Incheon were of the 24th Corps of the US Tenth Army. They were commanded by Lt. General John R. Hodge, who then took charge of the government. Four days before he arrived in Korea, Hodge told his officers that Korea "was an enemy of the United States." (Cumings, Bruce (1981). The Origins of the Korean War, Liberation and the Emergence of Separate Regimes, 1945-1947. Princeton University Press. p. 126.)

On September 9th, at a surrender ceremony, Hodge announced that the Japanese colonial government would remain in tact, including its personnel and its governor-general. After a major outcry, Hodge replaced the governor-general with an American and removed all the Japanese bureau cheifs, though he, in turn, enlisted the former Japanese bureaucrats as advisors.

Faced with mounting popular discontent, in October 1945 Hodge established the Korean Advisory Council. The majority of the Council seats were given to members of the Korean Democratic Party which had been formed at the encouragement of the U.S. and which was primarily made up of large landowners, wealthy businesspeople, and formers officials in the colonial government. A few members of the PRK were offered to join, but they refused and instead criticized the Council appointees for their collaboration with the Japanese.

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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby chuck888 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:03 am

LOL! You are telling that is all lies? Do you think Chinese cannot fabricate the history?

In reply to your post, this is accurate overview of South Korea.

History of Korea

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Gojoseon (BC 2333 - BC 108)
•The official name of country: Joseon(조선, 朝鮮)
◦In order to distinguish another Joseon in 15th centry, Gojoseon(고조선, 古朝鮮) is used instead of Joseon
•Foundation
According to the foundation story written in Samgookyusa, Gojoseon was founded by Dangun who was the son of Hwanwung and Woongnyeo (a bear woman). Hwanwung moved down from the heaven to Baekdu mountain(백두산, 白頭山, Chanbai, 长白山, Golmin Šanggiyan Alin) with 3000 followers. Some day, a bear and a tiger visited Hwanwung and they asked him a way to be humans. Hwanwung gave them garlic and mugwort and told them to live inside a deep cave eating only the garlic and mugwort 100 days, then they would turn into humans. The tiger gaved up in 99th day. The bear endured 100 days, and finally turned into a human woman. Hanwung named her Woongnyu (a bear woman), and married her. They had a son named Dangun, and Dangun founded Gojoseon kingdom.

Historians interpret the bear as a tribe with bear totemism, and the tiger as a tribe with tiger totemism. Who is the bear tribe and who is the tiger tribe is controversial.


•society
◦Ideology: Give benefits to all over the world.
◦The 8 laws (八條之敎) were applied, only three of them are recorded [1] [2] [3]
■A person, who killed others, is executed
■A person hurting others, should give grains for appology
■A person who steals stuff should become a slave, but he can pay 500,000 jeon instead if he regret sincerely
•Southern people in Korean penninsular who cultivated rice moved to Japan during late Jumon period and they transferred early rice cultivation to Japan. See Korean connection to Japanese in details.
•Gojoseon connection to Khitans

•TV Drama: Tae Wang Sa Shin Gi. Beginning part is based on the foundation story of Gojoseon.

[1] Sima Qian, "History Record(史記)", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_of_the_Grand_Historian
[2] Ban Zhao,, "地理志" in "The Book of Han (漢書)", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Han, 111 CE
[3] The 8 Rules, http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%ED%8C%94%EC%A1%B0%EC%A7%80%EA%B5%90

11 Dynasties (BC 108 - 100s )

Gojoseon collapsed at the invasion of Han dynasty (108 BC), and continued with 11 dynasties.


1.Buyeo (200s BC – 494) 부여, 夫餘
◦Buyeo connection to Buryat (Briatia, Buryat republic)
2.Okjeo (300s BCE – 108 BCE)
3.Dongye (150 BCE – 400s)
4.Mahan (300s BCE – 300s)
5.Jinhan (108 BCE – ?)
6.Byeonhan (108 BC – ?)
7.Jin (100s BC – 300s)
8.Goguryeo (37 BC - 668)
9.Baekje (18 BC - 660)
10.Silla (57 BC - 935)
11.Gaya (42 BC -562)

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•Goguryeo (37 BC - 668)
    ◦Official name: (early) Goguryeo, 고구려, 高句麗. (later) Goryeo, 고려, 高麗.
    ◦foundation: Buyeo people moved down to southern Manchuria, and built a cou
    JolBon (졸본) castle in Manchuria, the first capital of Goguryeo (고구려).
    ntry on top of the high mountain in BC 37. The founder's name is Choomo (or Joomong). His father was a king of Buyeo kingdom. According to the legend of Samgooksagi, his mother delivered an egg and hse born out of the egg.
    ◦King Ganggaeto conquered Buyeo, East Buyeo 410, Biryeo (碑麗, Khitan tribe), Suksin (Sushen, 肅愼, Jurchen) 398, expanding territory.
◦Wars
■Sui-Goguryeo war
■Tang-Goguryeo war
    ◦Goguryeo connection to Khitan Liao

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JolBon (졸본) castle in Manchuria, the first capital of Goguryeo (고구려).
    ◦TV drama Jumong: The foundation story of Goguryeo. The background is Buyeo and Goguryeo.

•Baekje (18 BC - 660)
    ◦Offical name: (early) Baekje, 백제, 百濟 (later) Southern Buyeo, 남부여, 南夫餘
    ◦foundation: Goguryeo King Onjo, who was younger brother of Choomo, m
    Poongnaptoseong, BC100s-AD200s, The ruins of the royal castle of the first Baekje capital, Seoul
    oved down to south with Goguryeo people, and founded Baekje inside Mahan kingdom BC18.
    ◦Baekje declared herself as the successor of Buyeo, and changed the country name into Southern Buyeo (남부여, 南夫餘) in 538. Kings used surna
    ◦Poongnabtowseong is the ruins of a royal castle of Baekje (Wureseong, 위례성) built between BC100s-AD200s. This castle was buried 4 meters underground. Inundation of Han river for 1500 years carried mud and soil and buried this castle. It is a miracle that most of underground relics are safe even though modern people built buildings on it. Some achaeologists call it the Pompey of Korea. Suprisingly a lot of people are living inside the castle building apartments. It had not been known until 2000 that it was the ancent capital of BaekJe (백제). Preservation of it is a big social and political issue because land price in Seoul is extremely high, and the estimated cost to preserve this castle is over 10 billion dollars.
me "Buyeo (부여, 夫餘)".
    ◦extension to West Liao, Sandong China, Kyusyu Japan (to be written)
    ◦Baekje transfered Buddism, Kanji (Old Chinese characters), and Man'yogana which is the original form of Hiragana and Katagana to Japan.

North-south Kingdoms (668-936)
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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby chuck888 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:45 am

Stop distorting the history in northeast asia. We know how china distorted history to their advantages.

[中동북공정 52% 한국관련]고구려-발해 역사왜곡에 집중

2002년 2월 시작된 중국의 동북공정이 31일을 끝으로 당초 계획된 5년간의 공식 활동을 일단 마무리한다.

동북아역사재단의 이인철 책임연구위원이 지금까지 그 전모가 확인되지 않은 동북공정 연구과제 114개(공문 7개 포함)를 추적해 이를 분석한 자료는 동북공정의 전체 그림을 그리는 데 큰 도움을 준다.

중국사회과학원 변강사지연구중심은 2002∼2004년 홈페이지를 통해 동북공정 연구과제를 공모했다. 연구과제는 크게 일반 공모를 거치는 일반과제와 연구자를 지정해 위탁하는 위탁과제로 나뉜다. 위탁과제는 공개되지 않는다.

이들 연구과제는 △고대중국강역(국경)이론 △동북지방사연구 △동북민족사연구 △고조선·고구려·발해사 등 한국고대사 △한중 관계 △중-러 관계 △공문서·문헌정리와 번역 등 7개 계열로 나눌 수 있다.

7개 계열 아래 다시 2002년 1차연도 기초연구분야 27건 등 총 52건, 2003년에는 20건, 2004년에는 15건 등 세부과제가 공시됐으며 연구신청서를 받아 심사를 통해 공식 채택되면 공식 ‘연구과제(입항·立項 과제)’로 등록된다.

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서울 서대문구 미근동 동북아역사재단 중국자료실에 비치된 중국 동북공정 관련 서적들. 한국의 고대사를 중국사로 뒤바꾸려는 중국의 동북공정이 31일로 일단 공식 마감하지만 중국 정부와 학계의 역사왜곡은 오히려 강화될 가능성이 높은 것으로 예상된다. 동아일보 자료 사진

○ 동북공정의 주제별 분석

이 책임연구위원이 확보한 것은 이들 연구과제의 목록과 연구자 이름, 소속기관의 정보다. 연구과제는 2002년 50개, 2003년 45개, 2004년 7개, 2005년 12개 등 모두 합쳐 114개다. 2005년과 2006년 연구과제는 모두 위탁과제였기 때문에 공개되지 않았는데 이 연구위원은 2005년 연구과제도 입수했다. 변강사지연구중심이 사실상 2006년 후반기에 동북공정을 마무리 지었다는 관측이 나오고 있기 때문에 2006년 연구과제는 많지 않을 것으로 추정된다.

이번 조사결과는 “동북공정의 성과물이 100권이 넘을 것”이라는 동북공정 실무 책임자 마다정(馬大正) 변강사지연구중심 동북공정 전문가위원회 전 주임의 발언과도 부합한다.

7개 계열 중 공식적인 한국 관련 계열은 한국고대사와 한중 관계 2개다. 그러나 다른 계열의 연구과제에서도 한국고대사나 한반도와 관련된 경우가 있을 수 있다. 이 연구원은 단순히 제목만 보고 한국 관련을 추정했을 때 공문서류 7과제를 제외한 107개 연구과제의 52%(56개)이고, 내용까지 분석하면 그 비율이 70%를 넘을 것으로 예측했다. 중-러 관계 연구과제가 전체의 17%에 불과한 점을 감안하면 동북공정의 칼끝이 어디를 향하고 있는지가 분명해진다.

마다정 전 주임의 후임인 리성((려,여)聲) 주임은 지난해 9월 “한국 관련 주제는 동북공정 전체의 10%도 안 된다”며 동북공정에 대한 한국 측 반응을 이해할 수 없다고 주장했다. 이번 조사는 그의 주장이 허구라는 점을 여실히 보여 준다. 또 한국고대사 관련 51개 연구과제가 고구려(48%)와 발해(26%)에 집중된 점도 확인됐다.

○ 누가 동북공정 연구과제를 수행했나

연구책임자의 소속이 확인된 103개 과제를 기준으로 97명의 연구 인력이 투입된 것으로 조사됐다. 그중 2개 이상의 과제를 수행한 인물로 중국사회과학원의 마다정, 리성과 리다룽(李大龍), 헤이룽장(黑龍江) 성 사회과학원의 부핑(步平), 장쭝하이(張宗海), 동북사범대의 리더산(李德山) 등 8명으로 조사됐다.

이들 연구원의 소속을 분석했을 때 동북공정이 중국 중앙정부와 동북3성의 합작품이라는 점이 뚜렷하게 드러난다. 가장 많은 연구를 수행한 지역은 중국동포가 많은 지린(吉林) 성이 46%로 압도적으로 높았고 그 다음은 러시아와 국경을 접한 헤이룽장 성으로 21%였다. 세 번째는 랴오닝(遼寧) 성을 제치고 베이징(北京)이 차지했다. 그 베이징 학자 18명 중에서 14명이 사회과학원 학자였다.

2002년 위탁과제로 드러난 쉬원지(徐文吉) 지린대 교수의 ‘조선반도 남북통일 진전 및 그것의 중국에 대한 영향 연구’는 동북공정이 한반도의 유사시에 대비한 국가안보 차원의 포석이기도 하다는 점을 보여 준다. 쉬원지 교수는 김일성종합대에서 유학했으며 지난해 4월 북한 인민문화궁전에서 지리학 국가박사학위를 받을 만큼 북한통으로 정평이 난 경제학자다.

2006년 국내에도 ‘동북공정 고구려사’로 번역 소개된 마다정·겅톄화(耿鐵華)·리다룽 등의 ‘고대중국 고구려사 속론’이 2002년 5개의 위탁과제 중 하나라는 점도 새롭게 드러났다.

2003년도 연구과제 중 리더산의 ‘조선반도 민족·국가의 기원과 발전’에 대한 과제 지침을 보면 삼한·신라·백제 등의 민족 기원 연구가 포함돼 있어 공간적으로 고구려뿐 아니라 신라·백제까지 연구를 확대하고 있음을 보여 준다. 또 ‘중국과 조선반도 고고문화학 비교연구’와 ‘중국과 조선반도 석기시대·청동시대 고고문화학 비교연구’ 같은 연구과제는 시기적으로 선사시대까지 포괄하고 있다.

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▼5년간 작업 마무리… 기초공사 끝냈을 뿐▼

지린성 사회과학원으로 추진주체 이동

○ 끝났으되 끝나지 않은 동북공정

동북공정의 공식 종료가 중국의 역사왜곡의 중단을 뜻하는 것은 아니다. 오히려 동북공정의 5년은 토양을 다지고 씨앗을 뿌린 기초 작업으로 봐야 한다는 것이 학계의 중론이다. 동북공정이 추진되는 동안 중국 지린 성-헤이룽장 성-랴오닝 성 산하의 사회과학원과 문물고고연구소, 주요 대학마다 동북공정의 논리로 무장한 연구원을 대거 양성하고 그들의 근거지가 될 연구기관들을 만들어 놨기 때문이다.

전호태 울산대 교수는 “동북공정은 동북3성 곳곳에 중국 측 논리에 입각해 학문연구물들을 생산해 낼 일종의 신형 엔진을 설치하는 인프라구축사업으로 봐야 한다”고 말했다. 일단 인프라가 깔리고 나면 더 왕성한 학문연구물들이 쏟아져 나올 가능성이 크다는 것이다.

고구려연구회의 서길수(서경대 교수) 이사장은 29일 국회의원회관 소회의실에서 열릴 ‘중국의 동북공정 5년 그 성과와 한국의 대응’이라는 토론회에서 발표할 논문에서 동북공정의 추진 주체가 이미 변강사지연구중심에서 지린성사회과학원으로 이동했다고 주장했다.

서 교수는 2004년 창간된 지린성사회과학원 ‘동북사지’라는 잡지에 3년간 실린 동북공정과 유사한 주제의 논문이 301편에 이르며 고구려 관련 논문이 106편, 발해 관련 논문이 17편, 고조선 관련 논문이 9편에 이른다는 점을 제시했다.

서 교수는 ‘동북사지’의 사장이자 지린성사회과학원 부원장인 장푸유(張福有)가 마다정이 이끈 동북공정 전문가위원회 소속이라는 점에 주목했다. 2004년 이전까지만 해도 고구려 관련 논문을 단 한편도 쓰지 않았던 사람이 그해에만 5편의 고구려 관련 논문을 발표하며 고구려전문가로 둔갑했다는 것이다.

서 교수는 “2004년 한국 측의 반발이 거세진 시점에서 장푸유가 동북사지를 창간하고 무려 300여 편의 논문을 게재했다는 것은 변강사지연구중심으로 쏠린 한국의 국가적 관심을 우회하면서 지린성사회과학원을 통해 그 연구를 진행했다는 의심을 사기에 충분하다”고 주장했다.

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중국 산시 성 윈청 시 관제묘(관우의 묘)에 걸려 있는 중국 삼국시대의 전국지도. 한반도지역을 뺀 고구려의 영토가 그려져 있어 고구려(오른쪽 위)를 중국의 일부로 여기고 있음을 뚜렷이 보여 준다. 동아일보 자료 사진

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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby chuck888 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:01 am

Korean connection to Manchurians
People in Manchuria was called in many different names, Jurchen, Dongyi, Sukshin, Yupru, Malgal, etc. The ancestors of Manchus are people who lived in current North Korea and Manchurian area. Both Koreans and Manchus explain their origin from Baekdu Mountain (Chanbai, 长白山, Golmin Šanggiyan Alin, 백두산, 白頭山), and this mountain is regarded as a sacred place to both ethnics. Jurchens were one of the tribes of Goguryeo, Balhae, and Gojoseon.

Hambo who was from Silla (新羅) moved to northern Korean penninsular, and originated Jin dynasty (Aisin Gurun, 金朝, 금나라) unifying Manchuria. When they restored Jin dynasty in 1616 (later changed to Qing dynasty) , they coined the term "Manchu" referring to themselves. Qing government published a history book ("The origin of Manchu" [1 ] ) about their origin defining Manchu tribes, and all Korean tribes were included as Manchu. In the book, they explained their origin from Silla (新羅).

Genetic analysis shows that Manchus are genetically closest to Koreans among Koreans, Mongols, Japanese and Chinese [5]. Manchuria was homeland to ancient Koreans for Gojoseon, Goguryeo, and Balhae kingdoms. Korean gene significantly contributed to Manchu gene pool.

Gojoseon connection to Jurchens

According to the foundation story of Gojoseon, three tribes are related to Gojoseon people. Hwanung tribe, the bear tribe, and the tiger tribe. Some historians believe that Jurchens are one of the tribes. Manchu Tungusic people have bear totemism [8] and Northeast Korea to East Manchuria is the traditional habitant of Tigers. One of theories explains that the origin of the name Jurchen was from Sushen (肅愼, Suksin, 숙신), and the terms of Jurchen, Sushen, Joseon are from the same origin with differentiated pronunciation [4].

Jin dynasty had a national ritual every October for their ancestor Gaecheon-hongseongje (開天弘聖帝, 개천홍성제) in Baekdu Mountain (长白山, 백두산, 白頭山). Gaecheon-hongseongje means "The sacrit person opening the heaven with spirit Hong (弘, great and broad)". The founder of Gojoseon is called Dangun(檀君) who originated Koreans from the Baekdu Mountain, and Koreans have a ritual every October too. The day of the foundation is called Gaecheon-jeol (開天節) which is a national holiday of Korea. The main idealogy of Dangun was Hong-yik-Ingan (弘益人間) meaning "great and broad benefits to people". Manchu Qing dynasty recorded him as "開天宏聖帝" in the origin of Manchu (滿洲源流考). Both "宏" and "弘" are "Hong".

•冊長白山之神為開天弘聖帝 (in chapter 10, History of Jin (金史) )
•明昌四年十月 ... 行仗五百人,複冊為開天弘聖帝。(in chapter 35, History of Jin (金史) )

Goguryeo connection to Jurchens
Jurchen was part of Goguryeo as king Gwangaeto conquered Sushen (肅愼, 숙신) in 398. As Chinese Tang invaded Goguryeo, Jurchens as people of Goguryeo fought against Tang army.

Silla(新羅) connection to Jurchens

After Silla destroyed Goguryeo and expanded territory further north, some people of Silla moved to north which
1115-1234 Jin dynasty (Jurchen Altaic people): the capital was Beijing
was old Goguryeo's area. After the collapse of Silla, some people of Silla escaped to north to Jurchen's area (current north Korea). They unified Manchuria establishing Jin dynasty.

The originator of Jin dynasty was a Silla person. His name was Hambo. The emperor of Jin dynasty was called a Silla person by Song Chinese who visited Jin in 1120s. Some history books say that the Jurchen King was a Silla person, others say that the originator of Jin was first from Goryeo[7]. It is because Silla was replaced by Goryeo. However, Chinese, Mongol, Korean, and Manchu history records are consistent impling that Jurchen kings are originally from Silla.

•"The name of the originator of Jin(金) is Hambo(函普). When he came first from Goryeo(高麗), his age was 60"
◦"金之始祖諱函普,初從高麗來,年已六十餘矣" (in 1st chapter of the history of Jin(金史) [3])

Not only the originator of Jin, but also Agolta (阿骨打), the founder of Jin dynasty, was called originally a person from Silla

•"Agolta (阿骨打) of the Jurchens declared to be the Emperor, ... He was originally a person of Silla (新羅人)"
◦女真阿骨打稱帝,姓王名做旻,本新羅人,號完顏氏 (in 3 宣和遺事 (大宋宣和遺事)) [2]
•Jurchen Agolta named the state Great Jin (大金) (... He is originally a person of Silla).
◦女真阿骨打稱帝國號大金(...本新羅人) (in《佛祖歷代通載》卷19)

There are lots of history records showing that the originator of Jin dynasty was a Silla person (or from Goryeo)

•The originator of Wonan family (Jin's royal family) is a person of Silla
◦完顏之始祖指蒲者,新羅人 (in 大宋遗民)
•The name of the originator of Jin is Hambo. He came first from Goryeo (髙丽)
◦金之始祖諱函普初從高麗來 ( in 大金國誌 written by Song Chinese)
•The originator of Jin, Hambo was first from Goyreo.
◦金之始祖諱哈富(舊作函普)初從髙麗來 (in 三朝北盟會編 written by Song Chinese)

Mongol and Korean records are consistent showing that the originator and the king of Jin dynasty are Silla persons. Goryeo claimed that Jin dyansty was originally inside Goryeo and they were people of Goryeo, and Goryeo was the mother country of Jin dynasty

•"People of Jin was originally Pyungjoo people in our country Goyreo. Goryeo was a mother country of Jin."
◦"金則本我國平州之人, 稱我爲父母之國, 尹灌築九城之地, 以先春嶺爲界, 終金之世, 兵不相加。"(高麗史 written by Korean dynasty)
•"The king of Jurchens is originally a Silla person"
◦"其初酋長本新羅人" (in 金志 written by Mongols in Yuan dynasty)

Until when did the royal family of Jin dynasty know that they were from Silla? When Jurchens visited Goryeo, they said their country was originated from Goryeo.

•" My ancestors (我祖宗) originated from your High country (大邦: Goryeo)."
◦"我祖宗出自大邦" (from 高麗史13卷-世家13-睿宗1109, written by Korean in Goryeo)

When Jin dynasty invaded Song China, two Chinese emperors were captured as hostages in 1127. Southern Song Chinese visited Jin dynasty to negotiate with Jin to find a way to get their emperors back in 1129. They stayed in Jin for 10 years and wrote all information about Jurchens. They wrote that the leader of Jurchens was a person of Silla . It shows that the royal family of Jurchen was called people of Silla even after Jin dynasty was founded. This record is highly credible because it was written during Jin period.

•The king of the Jurchens is a person of Silla.
◦女真酋長乃新羅人 (in 松漠記聞 (洪皓, 宋), 1129, written by Song Chinese) [10 ]

Who is exactly HamBo(函普 ), the originator of Jin(金) dynasty from Korea?
appears in different names in references. "Kam Bok(龕福)" in 松漠記聞 can be closer to the original
Gangwondo, Korea
name because it was written during Jin period and it is the earliest record.

•Ham Bo (函普, 함보) in History of Jin(金史) in 1300s [3]
•Hab Bu (哈富, 합부) in The Origin of Manchu (滿洲源流考) in 1777 [1]
•Kam Bok (龕福, 감복) in 松漠記聞 in 1129 (洪皓, 宋)) [10 ]

There are several historic records with different names about him in Korea. It is generally accepted by historians that he is a prince of the last king of Silla, GyeongSoon . When Silla was replaced to Goyreo, his prince joined movement to recover Silla. The name of the prince is Kim Bu (김부, 金富) in Hyangchal (the writing system used in Silla period) [13 ].


•Kim Bu (金富, 김부), the name of the last prince of Silla in Hyangchal

The prince and his followers staged in Inje , Gangwon province for the movement to restore Silla.
Hamgyong NamDo, Korea
They built Little Silla (신라소국) there. After Goyreo's attack, they moved to a Jurchen's area (YoungHeung, Hamgyeong-NamDo , North Korea) [11 ] [12 ] [7 ], and he became the originator of Jin(金, Kim) dynasty. It is believed that he had a big number of followers with military trained for battles with Goryeo, and it made possible for them to lead Jurchen tribes in the early settlement. Minority theory explains that Hambo was another prince of the last king of Silla, or possibly the last king himself.


•Kim Boon (金奮 김분), another prince of Silla
•Kim Bu (金傅, 김부) , the name of the last king of Silla

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Hamgyong NamDo, Korea

Korean connection to Manchus of Qing dynasty
Manchu Qing dynasty(1636-1912) is the successor of Jurchen's Jin dynasty (1115-1234) .
1616-1911 Qing dyansty (Manchu Altaic people): the capital was Beijing
Jurchens rebuilt Later Jin dynasty in 1616. They changed the country name to Qing (1636), and conquered China (1644), Mongolia (1697), Taiwan (1683), Tibet(1750), and Uyguru(1759). The royal family of Qing believed that they were descendents of Jin's royal family.

Manchu people in Qing dynasty also knew that the originator of Jin dynasty was from Goryeo (or Silla). Qing government published their own history book, "The origin of Manchu (滿洲源流考) " in 1777. They explained that the originator of Jin dynasty was first from Goryeo in the the book of History of Jin, but it is because the words Silla and Goryeo were used referring to Korea. They explained that Hambo was actually from Silla(新羅). Also, they wrote that the origin of the country name Jin (金) was from the surname of kings of Silla(新羅). Kim (金) is the most popular surname in Korea and it was from the surname of Kings of Silla. In this book they explained their origin from Silla.


•According to the History of Jin, ... the name of the originator of Jin is Hambo. He came first from Goryeo (髙丽)
◦金史世纪, ... 金之始祖讳哈富(旧作函普)初从髙丽来 (in Chapter 7, The Origin of Manchu (滿洲源流考) [1] )
•Thus, the originator of Wanyan Jin (金) came from Silla.
◦完顔金始祖自新羅來居完顔部因以爲氏 (in The Origin of Manchu (滿洲源流考) [1] )
•The name of Jin(金) dynasty came from the surname of kings of Silla(新羅)
◦新罗王金姓则金之逺派 (in The Origin of Manchu [1])
•Silla came to Wannan family. Silla kings' surname 金(Kim in Korean) inherited ten generations. So, Jin(金) came from Silla. There is no doubt that it became the country name.
◦本自新羅來姓完顔氏 新羅王金姓 相傳數十世則金之自新羅來 無疑建國之名 "(in The Origin of Manchu [1])

Also, Qing emperors' surname was "愛新覺羅". Interestingly, it can be read as "love Silla (愛 新羅) and remember Silla (覺 新羅)". The surname "愛新覺羅" means gold(金) clan in Manchu pronunciation (Aisin Gioro). The surname Kim(金) of Silla kings means gold too. After the end of Qing dynasty, the descendents of royal family changed their surname to Jin (金, Kim).

The Manchu royal family Aishin Giro (愛新覺羅) clan were people who lived
North Hangyong, Korea
in Odoli Castle which is in current Hoeryong (회령), North Hamgyong in North Korea where was part of Joseon dynasty since 14th century [15 ]. They were a vassal tribe to Joseon dynasty, and they treated Joseon as a mother country. The founder of Qing dynasty, Nurhachi, was born in Joseon Korea. He called Joseon dynasty "mother country" in the letter to Joseon showing willingness to help Joseon at the invasion of Japan in 16th century. The foundation story of Qing dynasty explains the birth place of Nurhachi, who was the founder of Qing, as the east of Baekdu Mountains which is current North Korea [16 ].

•"There was a lake called Bulhūri at the foot of Bukūri Mountain, located to the east of the Baekdu Mountains. When three angels bathed in that lake, a magpie left a fruit on the youngest angel Fekulen's clothes. She ate the fruit and became pregnant. She mothered Bukūri Yongšon, the founder of Aisin Gioro. He was later welcomed by the people as the Beile. He settled at Odoli Castle on the Omohoi Plain and became the founder of the Manchu State."

Qing government announced the definition of Manchu and prohibited the term 'Jurchen' referring to them. The half of Manchu tribes were Korean tribes, and all Korean tribes were included. (Goguryeo tribe was included by Balhae)

•Definition of Manchu from "The origin of Manchu (滿洲源流考)" [1]
Manchu Tribe 1: Suksin (肅愼), Buyeo(夫余, Korean)
Manchu Tribe 2: Yilou (挹娄, Ainu), Samhan(三韩, Korean), and Mulgil (勿吉)
Manchu Tribe 3: Baekje(百济, Korean)
Manchu Tribe 4: Silla(新羅, Korean)
Manchu Tribe 5: Malgal(靺鞨)
Manchu Tribe 6: Balhae(渤海, Korean)
Manchu Tribe 7: Wanan (完颜, Korean royal family), and GeonJu (建州)

How long did Silla identity remain?
It is not clear how long Silla identity remained in the royal family of Jin dynasty. However, there are several clues implying their identity. His brother moved with him, and in commonsense, their family and followers must have moved together. It is not clear how many people moved from Silla.

If Ham Bo ( 函普) is Kim Bu (金富) who was the last Silla prince and the leader of Silla Recovery Movement, a lot of followers must have moved with him to the Jurchens area. They must have married women among their group in the early period. Traditionally, royal family of Silla married only among their royal family members. Marriage of brother and sister was common to maintain a pure blood line. People of mixed heritage was excluded in the central pure royal family [14 ]. So, their descendants after Hambo can be 1/2 Korean, 3/4 Korean, 7/8 Korean, 15/16 Korean, ... 255/256 Korean in Aguda. This part is not clear, so we should not assume anything without clear evidence.

However, it is clear that they had identity as people from Silla at least until 12th century after they founded Jin dynasty and moved capital to Beijing. Southern Song Chinese visited them wrote them as people of Silla in 1129.

" The king of the Jurchens is a person of Silla."

•女真酋長乃新羅人 (in 松漠記聞 (洪皓, 宋), 1129, written by Song Chinese) [10 ]

After Jin included Balhae, Jin royal family marred women from Balhae. Jin dynasty's kings were from Silla descendants and queens from people of Balhae.

After they built Qing dynasty, they used the royal surname "Aishin Giro (愛新覺羅)" meaning Kim (金, Jin) family, and published the Origin of Manchu (1777) explaining their origin from Silla, correcting the records of other history books explaining from Goyreo. They included all Korean tribes in the concept of Manchu. It implies that they considered Koreans as the same ethnic group sharing the common origin from Silla during Qing dynasty.

Reference

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[1] Qing governement, "The origin of Manchu(滿洲源流考)", 1777, http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E6%BB%BF%E6%B4%B2%E6%BA%90%E6%B5%81%E8%80%83
[2] 大宋宣和遺事, http://open-lit.com/showlit.php?gbid=347&cid=1
[3] the history of Jin(金史), http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E9%87%91%E5%8F%B2/%E5%8D%B71
[4] Sin Chaeho, "Joseon Sanggosa", 1931, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseon_Sanggosa
[5] Toru Katoh, et. al., "Genetic features of Mongolian ethnic groups revealed by Y-chromosomal analysis", **Gene**, Volume 346, 14 February 2005, Pages 63-70. web link
[6] Wontack Hong, "How Did the Rulers of the Jin and Qing Dynasties Trace Their Ancestors? The Manchu Origins", EAST ASIAN HISTORY: A KOREAN PERSPECTIVE Vol. 1. No. 2. 2005. 1. 1. http://www.upkorea.net/news/photo/4908-2-4504.pdf
[7] "Hanpu", wikipedia.org. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanpu
[8] Juha Janhunen, "Tracing Bear totemism in Northeast Asia", http://src-h.slav.hokudai.ac.jp/publictn/acta/20/asi20-001-janhunen.pdf
[9] "The founder of Jin dynasty, Agolta was a descendent of Silla", History special, KBS, 2009,http://www.kbs.co.kr/1tv/sisa/historyspecial/view/vod/1605745_30885.html
[10] 洪皓(Song Chinese), "The king of Jurchens is a person of Silla (女真酋長乃新羅)"', in '松漠記聞', 1129, http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/松漠紀聞
[11] "마의태자(麻衣太子)", http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/마의태자
[12] "함보(函普)", http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/함보
[13] History special, KBS, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ4AAYxg0-U
[14] Bone rank system, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_rank_system
[15] Manchu - origins, http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Manchu_-_Origins/id/1743269[16] "Nurhachi, The Qing, and the Taiping " in Asian millenarianism: an interdisciplinary study of the Taiping, pp37-38, 2007

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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby deadlock » Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:22 am

另一种说法为:清末开始,觊觎东北的日本人开始向东北进行大规模渗透和殖民,这一情况在九一八东北沦陷后更是达到顶峰。而要进行殖民最重要的就是移民,尤其初期日本在华人员多数是军人,没有多少人对占领区进行日常统治和管理。但限于日本本国自然状况,也因路途遥远和经费等问题,所以从日本本土不可能调来足够的移民。于是,日本就从当时早就日韩合并的朝鲜半岛征调大量的朝鲜人来华,这些韩国人在接受了所谓“日韩同祖”的奴化教育后,来华后开始为虎作伥,被当地华人称为“二鬼子”。但是日本人对朝鲜人根本不信任,所以这些朝鲜警察手里没有得到日本人给予的任何武器,还不如中国的伪警察(伪警察至少还有一根警棍)无奈之下,这些人就用朝鲜妇女洗衣服的洗衣棒当打人的武器。由于这些人比日本人还凶,所以当地老百姓背地叫他们高丽棒子。[1]

还有一种说法为:中国有骂人“棒槌”的说法,指洗衣用的棍子,实心的,引申为蠢,和榆木疙瘩一个意思。高丽棒子与高丽棒槌意思差不多,就是“高丽的蠢货”。

据日本早稻田大学藏清乾隆十六年版的《皇清职贡图》第一册中“朝鲜国民妇”图后一页载:“朝鲜国民,人俗呼为高丽棒子。”可见至晚在清乾隆时期,高丽棒子这个称呼就在坊间十分的流行了。

与之相类似广为传用的词汇是印度阿三。

近年来中韩民间舆论摩擦不断,高丽棒子作为中国民间对于韩国民众的一种侮辱方式而被广泛采用,贬义色彩明显,其原本的出处早已无关紧要了。

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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby deadlock » Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:34 am

韩国国立显忠院就是韩国的靖国神社2009-12-09 02:00
铁一般的事实表明,韩国就是侵华日军的帮凶。
韩国国立显忠院就是韩国的靖国神社!
在韩国显忠院里供奉的韩国军人(朝鲜战争时期阵亡)的大部分是对中国人民犯下累累血债的刽子手。
中国人民应该坚决反对韩国总统参拜显忠院!
中国人民有权向韩国提出战争赔偿!

李明博新年参拜显忠院,国立显忠院介绍
2009年1月1日,李明博在新年第一天早晨到国立显忠院参拜。

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국립서울현충원 [國立─顯忠院, Seoul National Cemetery, Seoul National Memorial Board]

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国立显忠院是韩国国立墓地

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首尔国立显忠院大门

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朴正熙(高木正雄)墓

韩国籍日军宪兵金昌龙是供应731部队马路大的主谋

东北关东军里的韩国籍日军参与了731部队。这个证据确凿!
前韩国陆军中将金昌龙介入了731部队。经他手落入731部队的抗日志士也差不多一百多个。
关东军宪兵特务金昌龙后来当了韩国陆军中将,死后被供奉在韩国大田国家显忠院里,正因为如此韩国的显忠院就是靖国神社。
为了因金昌龙而被731部队活体实验的抗日志士讨回公道,反对韩国总统参拜显忠院。

一:证据
时间:
1940年10月至1943年3月
地点
兴安北省
    
二:中国方面资料
哈尔滨获得“731”活体实验最直接证据 1463人被“特别移送”残忍杀害 

1940年10月至1943年3月,兴安北省地方保安局批捕90人并分别按四种办法处理,其中送往石井部队的中国人35名,蒙古族5人

三:韩国方面资料
关东军韩国籍宪兵金昌龙在1941-1943年之间,东北共破获了50多个抗日情报网。
1941年金昌龙在“兴安北省”一举破获了共产党员王近礼领导的抗日情报网,缴获九台电台,50名抗日志士全部被逮捕--这些被关东军逮捕的抗日志士成了731部队的活体试验品

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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby chuck888 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:24 pm

deadlock wrote:KBS broadcasted that Eastern China was a colony of Baekje.
KBS: Eastern China was a part of Baekje 5/7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmsLc_YBOQ8
KBS: Eastern China was a colony of Baekje
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDv2VfFLUAU&NR=1

KBS: Korean Civilization
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn6FmBbW_Kk&feature=related
KBS: Korean Civilization 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AWIZfyJGq0&NR=1

"The vast land of the Manju, which is now Chinese territory, has a living and breathing history of Korean ancestors."
"The discovery of 5000 year old Goddess statues in Oct 1984, have shocked the Chinese archaeological society."
"The excavation reveals the sign of the birth of new civilization."
"Among East Asian Civilization, this area has the oldest and most developed civilization."
"This has been termed 'Yoha Civilization'."
"Prof. Yi Hyunggyu who has studied 'Yoha Civilization' for 30 years declares that Yoha civilization is strongly related with us Koreans, not Chinese."
"In Wuharyan, 5500 year old remains along with the temple of the Goddess are concentrated."

KBS: Korean Civilization 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr0ML3aaRCQ&NR=1

"Since the 1980s, the cultures older and more developed than Yellow River civilization have been discovered in northeastan asia, outside the chinese wall."
"However, recently, as a huge number of ancient historic sites and remains have been unearthed in northern asia, outside the wall, they are now trying to
make the rich cultures proven from the discoveries the root of the Hua civilization, which is a self-contradictory non-sense."
"China has got upset with the fact that outside the chinese wall (northeastern asia), more developed civilization than the Hua civilization (Chinese civilization) has been
found:"


LOL, you are so pathetic and desperate. You spend all time searching about Korea?

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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby chuck888 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:38 pm

deadlock wrote:韩国国立显忠院就是韩国的靖国神社2009-12-09 02:00
铁一般的事实表明,韩国就是侵华日军的帮凶。
韩国国立显忠院就是韩国的靖国神社!
在韩国显忠院里供奉的韩国军人(朝鲜战争时期阵亡)的大部分是对中国人民犯下累累血债的刽子手。
中国人民应该坚决反对韩国总统参拜显忠院!
中国人民有权向韩国提出战争赔偿!

李明博新年参拜显忠院,国立显忠院介绍
2009年1月1日,李明博在新年第一天早晨到国立显忠院参拜。

국립서울현충원 [國立─顯忠院, Seoul National Cemetery, Seoul National Memorial Board]

国立显忠院是韩国国立墓地

首尔国立显忠院大门

朴正熙(高木正雄)墓

韩国籍日军宪兵金昌龙是供应731部队马路大的主谋

东北关东军里的韩国籍日军参与了731部队。这个证据确凿!
前韩国陆军中将金昌龙介入了731部队。经他手落入731部队的抗日志士也差不多一百多个。
关东军宪兵特务金昌龙后来当了韩国陆军中将,死后被供奉在韩国大田国家显忠院里,正因为如此韩国的显忠院就是靖国神社。
为了因金昌龙而被731部队活体实验的抗日志士讨回公道,反对韩国总统参拜显忠院。

一:证据
时间:
1940年10月至1943年3月
地点
兴安北省
    
二:中国方面资料
哈尔滨获得“731”活体实验最直接证据 1463人被“特别移送”残忍杀害 

1940年10月至1943年3月,兴安北省地方保安局批捕90人并分别按四种办法处理,其中送往石井部队的中国人35名,蒙古族5人

三:韩国方面资料
关东军韩国籍宪兵金昌龙在1941-1943年之间,东北共破获了50多个抗日情报网。
1941年金昌龙在“兴安北省”一举破获了共产党员王近礼领导的抗日情报网,缴获九台电台,50名抗日志士全部被逮捕--这些被关东军逮捕的抗日志士成了731部队的活体试验品


You should give a full translation, and where is a source for this?

You must be those chinese who seriously believe that Koreans claim Confucius. :lol:

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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby deadlock » Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:30 am

Some korean nationalists claim Confucius, as covered in the medica and news. Shame.

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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby Xiang » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:54 pm

eh, there is a long-standing misunderstanding there that the Hua-Xiao(华夏) civilization was
born along the Yellow River.
Along with the archaeological development in the last 20 years in China, more and more
unearthed evidence indicated that the earliest civilization center lied on the middle and lower
reaches of the Yangtze River.

Look at these:
In 2011, a group of genome researchers from Stanford University, New York University,
Washington University, and Purdue University made a conclusion that domesticated rice
originated in the Yangtze Valley of China around 9,000 years ago.
(http://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2011/05/02/rices-origins-point-to-china-
genome-researchers-conclude.html
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/04/27/1104686108.abstract)

Early in 2004, 5 carbonated rice grains dated around 12,000 years ago were discovered in
Yuchanyan Cave (an Upper Neolithic cultural site) in Hunan Province China by archaeologists
from Hunan Archaeological Research Institute and Harvard University.

It is worth mentioning that Yuchanyan Cave also yielded the earliest pottery dated 17,500-
18,300 years ago.
(see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8077168.stm
and http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/06/01/0900539106.abstract)

Now here comes a prominent neolithic cultural site Gaomiao(高庙) Relics dated between 7800-5500
ago situated in Hongjiang, Hunan Province,China.
Till the most recent dig in 2005, among the discoveries are:
1) a large-scale sacrificing site with an estimated area of 1000 square meters dated 7000 ago
consisting of three parts: ritual site, sacrifice pit, attached buildings for meeting and rest and cellars.
2) In Gaomiao's upper remains lied houses and tombs among which 2 co-buried graves of husband
and wife(supposed to be the tribe head) dated 5800 ago were especially conspicuous, only in these two graves large exquisite jadeware were discovered.
3) around 7800 years old pottery (including the earliest white pottery) with the oldest-known
decoration patterns like: magic bird phoenix, beast fangs, octagon constellation and the sun.
4) Perhaps the oldest character-liking engravings found on the fragments of pottery dated 7000
—7500 ago such as: “火”、“⊙”、“井”、“圭”、“▽” in which “⊙” was identical to “日” in oracle bone inscriptions.

Emerging of Huaxiao civilization:
Chengtoushan(城头山) site (late Neolithic Culture spanning from 7000-4000 ago):
The first emerged ancient city of around 6000 years old located in Li Yang Plain, Hunan Province.
Occupying an area of 152,000 square meters, surrounded by city wall and moat, the ancient city
was divided into habitation, pottery-making, sacrificing and tomb areas linked together through
the earliest dated brick laid roads. The oldest rice paddy of 6500 yrs was also found there.
BTW, the accomplishments of Chengtoushan Culture were ever displayed in the Shanghai WorldExpo 2010.
(Have a look at the pictures of the site:
http://www.zhg1.cn/humane/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleID=249)

Now let's get back to the so-called 'Yoha Civilization' "the oldest and most developed civilization
among East Asia" declared by the Koreans.
Actually, the correct name of the relics should be "Niuheliang(牛河梁)Cultural Site" which
used to be thought the part of Hongshan(红山) Culture (6000-5000 ago) and includes stone tombs
and a "goddess temple".

The excavation of the site hasn't been completed, as the research goes on, some new findings
contradictory to the former conclusions have come out.
Niuheliang Site is a mixed cultural relics consisting of Hongshan Culture and Lower Xiajiaodian
(夏家店) Culture (2000BC-1500BC), the jadeware unearthed in the stone tombs are actually not
related to the Hongshan Culture, and most likely belong to the other culture more than 1000
years later.
For a bronze ware found in 1987 in one tomb, the radiocarbon dating has identified its Lower
Xiajiaodian Culture characteristics.
As to the goddess temple, aside from the clay goddess statue, nothing valuable was discovered
especially the precious jadeware.

Comparing with other late neolithic sites ranging from the central plain to the southern areas,
such as: Lingjiatan(凌家滩) Site (5600-5300 ago), Liangzhu(良渚) Site (3300 BC-2200 BC),etc,
large amounts of exquisite jadeware were found in those relics which obviously is not the
feature of Niuheliang Site.
Anyway, Niuheliang Site is a bit overrated due to inaccurate analysis method in the earlier
stage of excavation.

Another interesting thing is:
a genetic research on the human remains in the stone tombs in Niuheliang Site done by
JiNing University found that the Hongshan Culture habitants were of ancient northeast human
type most genetically close to the Han Chinese with the closest matrilineal inheritance.
When entering the bronze period, the ancient north chinese began to move into the western
Liaoning and gradually replaced the natives and became the main dwellers.
From late Bronze Period on, a group of ancient Mongolian Plateau type human came to this area,
mixed ethnithity and culture then emerged.

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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby Xiang » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:47 am

Chinese distorted the history of Northeast Asia? Funny!
The Koreans said that their history started around 5000 years ago by a legendary person Dangun(檀君) but providing no record and archaeological evidence.
Based on imagination, they made their impressive "history" claiming the Northeast China their own through tracing their ancestors of fantasy to many ancient ethnic minorities in northeastern part of China like:
夫餘(Fu Yu), 女真(Jurchen), and 满族(Manchus).

The history of now day Korea emerged as a united nation with a single ethnicity made up of the Samhan people from central and southern Korean Peninsula actually started from Goryeo Kingdom (918-1392).

Before that, the peninsular was divided into two parts of different belongs:
The northern part had always been under the reign of Chinese central regimes with rulers and many dwellers of Chinese origin.
The recorded ancient Korean period (Gojoseon) comprised two dynasties: Ji-zi(箕子) Korea (1122 BC-194 BC) and Wei-Man(衛滿) Korea (195BC-108BC) which were founded respectively by royal family member Ji-zi of Shang Dynasty of China and a fugitive Wei-Man from the ancient Yan State in northern China.
In 108BC, Wei-man Korea was destroyed by Han Dynasty due to the subordinate regime getting out of control, then the northern Korea was included into the Han territory and divided into four prefectures called "The Four Han Prefectures" (108BC-313AD).

After the collapse of Wei-man Korea, another northeast ethnic regime called Gao-gou-li(高句丽)(Goguryeo) (37 BC-668) was set in Gao-gou-li(高句丽) county in Liaoning China under the governance of central regime. Later it expanded into the northern Korea confronting another two native southern Korean kingdoms: Silla (57 BC–935 AD) and Baekje (18 BC–660 AD).

In 668, Goguryeo kingdom was defeated by the Tang Dynasty (618--907), and the northern peninsular again came under the total control of China, the large majority of Goguryeo people were moved into the central plains and assimilated into Han people.

The part of Goguryeo territory (ranging from eastern Liaoning to northern Korea) left in Korea was given by Chinese governments in two different times, one is in 748 the Tang Emperor ordered 5% of the total area for the unified Silla Kingdom, then the rest was given away in 1392 by the first emperor of Ming Dynasty.

The present Koreans insist that the Goguryeo belonged to their own history, the Goguryeo people were their ancestors so the northeastern China is of course their territory. They just ignore the fact that the late Goryeo Kingdom (918-1392) was established 250 years after the disappearance of Goguryeo, and the composition of Goguryeo people originated from mainland China was quite different from the Goryeo people who was formed by the native Samhan ethnicities in the southern peninsular.

As to the relations between the Korean and Jurchen, Manchus, don't want to say too much here, in short, koreans are koreans, manchus is manchus, and Jurchen is Jurchen.
Upon giving away the Goguryeo area in northern Korea by Ming emperor, the unified Koreans began to drive away the Jurchens and other Goguryeo offspring out of the peninsular by force, now they claim they were actually one family.

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Re: Korean claims Eastern China was a colony of Baekje

Postby gratchen » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:12 pm

According to TWSSG, there is indeed West and East Baekje, which are divided by Bohai/Balhae sea. West Baekje (better known as Dae-Ryuk Baekje for Continent Baekje) would be present day Hebei, China (you know, Qingdao beer ^^). because China denies this, and Korean records that directly link to it are destroyed or missing it is very controversial and most ppl only refer to Baekje as just that, the kingdom near present day Seoul and Incheon of South Korea.
However, on closer examinations of both Chinese and Korean records, and Western scholarship, there has been many indirect links to the existence of a West Baekje, which was even greater in geography and population.
For example, Chinese scholar/librarian 宋書 recorded “Baekje is west to Yo-Ha river”.


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