Korean invented chinese language

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shanxi

Chinese Invented Their Own Language.]+

Postby shanxi » Sun Jun 01, 2003 7:15 pm

............................Chinese invented and created their own language. Posting by Peter is totally crap and ridiculous, the person trying to make a confusion here actually. ]+~

alaxieniye

Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby alaxieniye » Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:09 pm

What I see? A gang of pro-korean idiots telling bull-shits!!
Chinese invented chinese. Korean invented korean.
Korean is an Altaic language, with a lot of words from chinese! It's a SINO-XENIK ( but NOT a SINO_TIBETAN language). Neither korean nor Japanese is related to chinese! Vietnamese is't related to chinese too! It's a big mistake to say Japanese, Korean, Chinese and Vietnamese are related!Korean words borrowed from Chinese are of FUJIAN orrigin ( Hokkien, Fukien:) Korean could not invent hanzi, because hanzi do not fit for korean language at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




P.S. Peter, u're an idiot!

'made in china'

Aurelio

Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby Aurelio » Fri Jun 20, 2003 10:19 pm

Dear all:

I personally would like to see this thread move so far down in the priority list that it doesn't appear on the first page anymore at all. I'm quite sure that the majority in this forum will share this opinion. The only way to make this happen is by not responding to this thread anymore.

So if right now you're considering to write flaming responses -JUST DON'T! It's not worth it anyway. Put this thread out of it's misery.

Regards,
Aurelio

Your ancestor

Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby Your ancestor » Thu Jul 10, 2003 5:34 pm

The one whom wrote this has little knowledge of history. It shows that how ignorant Korean are! It's such a shame! Btw please study where does korean comes from.

Aurelio

Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby Aurelio » Thu Jul 10, 2003 10:57 pm

HEY!

We were so close to having this issue leave the front page - why do you come around and 'disturb the dead'?

I can imagine that a lot of people get anoyed by this topic but the only way to make this nonsense disappear is by ignoring it - DON'T WRITE BACK!

Regards,
Aurelio

Guest

Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby Guest » Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:38 am

peterkim wrote:the so-called Chinese character (Hanja in Korean) was
probably invented and developed by Korean ancestors or, at least,
other non-Chinese nomadic people who spoke in Altaic or related
languages, although the populous Chinese also have used it as their
basic writing systems. I believe
the number of population of any ethnic group should not be a factor
that obscures the origin. I explain just one aspect of evidences.

1. Archaeological evidence

Civilizations in China, in the sense of modern political border, were
not initiated and dominated by a single ethnic group. From Neolithic
to Bronze age, when Chinese characters were invented and developed,
nomadic peoples dominated central Asia, southern Siberia, Manchuria
and, probably, current Korean peninsula, whereas agricultural people
lived from Southeast Asia to central China [2]. It is likely that
agricultural people flourished near the area of Yangshao Neolithic
culture, whereas nomadic people in the northeastern and central Asia
dominated areas of Hongshan, Ta wen k'ou and Lungshanoid cultures.
Upper and Lower Hsia-chia-tien in north China also was linked to the
nomadic/hierarchical Lungshanoid and Shang (Yin) cultures to the west.

Sudden climate changes to drier and colder conditions around a
millennium B.C. eventually drove nomadic people to south to Korean
peninsula and Japan and to west to central Asia and even to Europe
[3]. During Zhou, Chin and Han dynasty, Hua people (ancestors of most
of modern Chinese), who had originally lived in Yangshao area,
extended their political territory, while succeeding or interacting
with nomadic cultures, especially Shang [2]. They eventually formed a
uniform, cultural and political unity, so-called Chinese. However, the
term 'Chinese' should not be interpreted as modern border of China
when applied to prehistory civilizations. How could ancient people in
East Asia know that there would be a border defining 'Chinese'? Even,
could any political or cultural border exist during prehistory in
China?

In short, eastern part of the East Asia was dominated by the so-called
'East I', nomadic/Altaic people, whereas western/southern part was
dominated by Hua, agricultural/Chinese-Tibetan people when writing
systems were being developed.

The original pictographs called 'gab-gol' (bone and shell) or
'bok-sa' in Korean were certainly invented during the Yin dynasty (or
Shang state, BC 1600~BC 1046), although it is uncertain who was the
inventor. There is no dispute regarding this matter between Korean and
Chinese historians. There are ample recent evidences that the dominant
people of the Yin dynasty was Korean (Dongyi) or other nomadic people,
which some Chinese historians also agree. Moreover, prototypes of
Hanja (Chinese character) were found to the east of the Shang (Ta wen
k'ou and Lungshan culture), not the west (Yangshao culture) [4]. The
culture of Lungshan was far advanced than Yangshao culture [2]. If
Yangshao can be called Chinese as modern Chinese historians do,
Lungshan should be called Korean or broadly nomadic or Altaic. Why?

Archaeological evidences imply that bronze culture was imported from
Lungshan to the Shang dynasty. With respect to historical records,
Shiji by Sima Qian, which most scholars on east Asian history cherish,
described 'Chiwoo' (chiyou in Chinese) (an Korean emperor recorded in
Handangogi, See footnote 4) as the following:

"He had 81 brothers. They were with beast body, spoke in human
language, had bronze head and iron forehead, and ate sands everyday."

Shiji implies that Chiwoo was from a tribe that used bronze to make
weapons and spoke in different language. Usually, responses to Koreans
described in Chinese history books are bipolar (disparaging while
being scared). The description on Chiwoo is a typical one. But Chinese
historians themselves wrote implications that bronze was introduced
from Koreans.

Contrary to the Chinese history book, Korean history books,
collectively called Handangogi' summarize as the following:

I do not deny the influence of Chinese Hanja culture on Koryo and
Chosun. Depending on the period, the direction of cultural transfer
could change. And, Koreans were segregated from Cantonese area and
confined to the Korean peninsula since the 7-th C AD.

During the Shang period, all three types of Hanja (Chinese character)
already had been developed (pictography, logography and lexigraphy).
Moreover, semantic and phonetic determinative were developed in this
period. It will not be surprising that phonetic determinative
continued to be developed in Korea to establish Idoo before 600 A.D.,
finally inventing Hangul in 1446 A.D.

William Boltz (1986) concluded that the Ta wen k'ou graphs (1900 B.C.)
are indeed the predecessors of the Shang pictography (B.C. 1200). He
differed "Origins of civilization in China" from "Origins of Chinese
civilization".

He noted distinct two kinds of inscription of the Shang dynasty: 1)
oracle bone inscription (OBI), and 2) bronze inscription. Shang OBI
had rough and angular, with a strong dominance of straight lines,
whereas the characters of "bronze inscriptions" are replete with
circles, ovals and curved strokes of a kind nearly impossible to
incise on bone or turtle shell. Shang bronze inscriptions are
generally limited to simple statements of who made the vessel for
whom. The OBI, on the other hand, consist of considerably more
complex, often ritually formulaic, divinatory texts.

Pictographs found in the Shantung province show evolutionary process
of writing system according to Boltz (1986).

(1) Insignia or emblem-type graphs found on pottery fragments from a
neolithic site at Ling yang ho, near Chu hsien, souther part of modern
Shantung province (4300-1900 BC)

(2) Emblem-type character painted on a hu vase found at Pao t'ou
village, Shantung province (Middle Ta wen k'ou period)

(3) Partial insigne found on pottery fragment from Ch'ien chai, north
of Ling yang ho (Late Ta wen k'ou culture)

The feature of the Ta wen k'ou pictographs (1900 B.C.) is matched by
the 'clan name' emblems on Shang bronzes of a few centuries later.

For the latest news on the oldest Chinese character refer to:
http://www.chinapage.com/archeology/2000year.html

Let's summarize the propagation sequence of Hanja system and
technology among the four cultures with respect to Chinese writing
system (Hanja): Ta wen k'ou (4300-1900 BC), Yangshao (West) vs.
Lung-shan (East) (3000-1000BC) and Shang (1700-1027 BC).

<Propagation of Hanja system>
Ta wen k'ou (pictograph) -> Shang dynasty

<Propagation of technology>
Ta wen k'ou (Neolithic) -> Lung-shan (Neolithic + bronze weapon) ->
Shang dynasty (bronze)

Now, it seems certain that Hanja (Chinese writing) did not come from
Yangshao culture, but Hanja might have came from Ta wen k'ou through
Lung-shan (Youngsan). The Lungshan people were far advanced at pottery
than the concurrent Yangshao people. Undoubtedly, the Lungshan was the
predecessor of the Bronze Age (Shang) kingdom.

Few people would deny the fact that "East I" or "East Yi" was the
dominant people of Lung-shan culture. And, Koreans had been called
East Yi, as Yi indeed denotes a 'big bow', which still symbolize why
Koreans are undefeatable champions in Olympic archery. Moreover, it
would not be coincident that the Shang people firstly used a new
composite bow and that the Hanja (Chinese character) denoting Yi is
the shape of the composite bow. A picture of composite bow can be seen
at http://www.rom.on.ca/pub/shang/shangd.html.

2707 BC-2598 BC Reign of fourteenth Han-ung, Ja-o-ji

During his reign: Begins mass production of steel and bronze weapons
such as swords, spears, armor, helmet, arrow tips, etc. When Yumang
(Yuwang), descendent of Shin-nong, tries to reach the coast by
military means, the Han-ung's army crushes them and occupies their
capital, Gongsang (Kongsang, in present Shandong). Then the native
chieftain Heon-won (Xuanyuan, the Yellow Emperor) issues challenge,
whom the Han-ung defeats is 73 successive battles, and makes him a
vassal. Heonwon is given the title Yellow Emperor (Huangdi) by the
Han-ung, who is also known as Chi-u (Ciyou) [1]

People who developed Ta wen k'ou and Lungshan culture in Shantung
province were called "East Yi". Koreans had called "East Yi" by
Chinese, and "Yi" means a big arrow, a feature of the Shang dynasty
[See footnote 1].

Based on archaeological evidences from Ta wen k'ou and Shiji's mention
on bronze weapon of a Korean ancestor, it seems certain that Shang
dynasty succeeded Hanja and bronze culture in the East (Shantung
province) where some Korean ancestors resided.

Some References

[1] http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~korea ... ology.html
[2] Chang, Kwang-chih. 1977. The Archaeology of Ancient China. New
Haven: Yale University Press., 3rd ed.
[3] Chun Chang Huang, Jiangli Pang & Pinghua Li. 2002. Abruptly
increased climatic aridity and its social impact on the Loess Plateau
of China at 3100 B.P. Journal of Arid Environments 52: 87.99
doi:10.1006/jare.2002.0981, available online at
http://www.idealibrary.com
[4] William Boltz. 1986. Early Chinese Writing. World Archaeology 17:
420-36.



umm actually i have been doing vigorous research on this topic..and ACTUALLY koreans by all means did not creat the chinese language..the chinese landuage can be accredited to chiyou...it was HE who was the first to shape the chinese culture to this very day!!! he was the one that invented the the written system of the MIAO (whic chiyou was the king or emperor of the MIAO people) and wiht the murder of chiyou, that was where the han dynasty or huaxia people were derived from...so you can..that..in any case it was chiyou and the miao people that had the written language....and also...the koreans may have been descendants from chiyou...

Guest

Re: Chinese Invented Their Own Language.]+

Postby Guest » Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:45 am

shanxi wrote:............................Chinese invented and created their own language. Posting by Peter is totally crap and ridiculous, the person trying to make a confusion here actually. ]+~


oh my gosh..i can't believe that chinese people are SOO ingnorant about THEIR own history!!!!!!!!! chinese people didn't create their own language...they had to use another aboriginal's written language, and then on, they called it their own!! because of inferiority issues,,,they claim that they invented their own language..ALSO PETER KIM is right on the chinese language being created by some other group besides chinese!! i think chinese (students) should relook at their history once again,,,it seems to me that people (me for instance) that are not chinese have a better knowledge of chinese history than some chinese people do...some people are ethnocentric..and it seems to me that you are...or whoever that posted this..peter you're correct on this, except the korean part of course :D

song

uumm peter should read this..

Postby song » Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:51 am

peter you should DEFINITELY read this...maybe it'll change your mind...and yes there are evidence that points to koreans being the ones that developed the chinese language..BUT who developed the koreans..and that answer may be the ONE that developed BOTH the chinese and k..here..take a look......everynone is welcome to!!

http://www.hmongcenter.org/inonkinchipa.htmlorean

Guest

Re: uumm peter should read this..

Postby Guest » Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:53 am

song wrote:peter you should DEFINITELY read this...maybe it'll change your mind...and yes there are evidence that points to koreans being the ones that developed the chinese language..BUT who developed the koreans..and that answer may be the ONE that developed BOTH the chinese and k..here..take a look......everynone is welcome to!!

http://www.hmongcenter.org/inonkinchipa.htmlorean


sorry wrong website it's actually this:

http://www.hmongcenter.org/inonkinchipa.html

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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby peterciao » Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:56 am

peterkim wrote:Chinese historian like to twist the history around, everybody know about it.
u just need to look at the Baduk/Weiqi intellectual game, Korean always easily beat down chinese .if this is really your invention, why chinese done so poorly?
and look also at the sport, the world cup, chinese also done very badly if compare to korean.
In modern technology, korean made products like Samsung, LG, Hyundai,KIA
are popular everywhere, where is chinese?
a population of 1.3 billion can't beat down a small nation with only 40 million , or 80 million if u want include North Kore, but still we done much better than chinese in almost every area.
the truh is out there, is just depend on you guys weather want to accept it or not.
many chinese historian in China also agree that Dongyi was korean and the creator for Da'wek kou culture. it was also recoded in Shi Ji from Shima Ji.


Weiqi, many Korean visit jap to study modern weiqi in recent 50years, you know? like zhao zhi xun, tsao xun xuan, these people study in jap for 5-10 years, in benginning of recent 50 years jap player better and easyly defeat korea player, as per your thought, Jap invent the weiqi??? today korean player done good, so today Korean invent the weiqi??? use head.

Have you any knowledge of ancient weiqi?
do you know the ancient rules is different from today?

Sports, In the world olypic, Korean win more Golden metal than china??? pls check the recorder, in Golden metal List could not found korean in first 10 winner always. could you tell what is the first 3 winner??

Modern Technolgy, where is chinese? China sent people to astrospace 2 times. where is korean???

in korean war, South Korean troop collapsed always first and quickly, even with USA's backing.

So where found your conclusion in the end.

today you say Confucius was chinese but Lao Tze not. but other korean say Confucius is korean, korean's answer are so many??
what you say was accepted by humanics or archaeology?

Korean struggled in poverty for thousands years. borrow money, culture from china is their job always.
recent 50 years, korean got chance to grow up, and lost yourselve in the success. it's like Japan, Japan grow up in 100 years ago, they lost theselve too and invade whole asia and attack USA across the ocean. this is called small country growing curve.
so korean start to ask for many things (Culture, words, medical...) from neighbour. korean act as 13-14 year youth.

Korean say today everything they learned from china is their own. like medicine, language, culture, building, festival, their national flag, I ching. capital of korean is called "Han chen" means the chinese city in histroy today they modify it, korean book only written in chinese in history.
Korean today growes and feel shame by using chinese for centuries, so what you say is easy to find your confidence.

However Korean sent countless students to china university to learn chinese, not we go to korean to learn chinese. if chinese is yours, why you give up using in past and adopt a similar character?

Korean announce Chinese medicine is from korean, till today, they send alot of student to china university to study chinese medicine. not opposite, and when they go back, they call what they learn is korean medicine.

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Postby never0420 » Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:38 pm

I totally agree that Chinese is created by Korean. According to all the posts above, here is a conclusion. Korean's ancestors were from China so Chinese ancestors were also their ancestors. chinese invented chinese characters = korean invented chinese characters. SO.... Korean is also Chinese and Korea is part of China TOO!!! :P
BTW, Korean invented printing, Chinese character, BASEBALL, cars, nuclear bomb oops! PC, LCD, DVD, Frezzer, Sony, Toyota, Honda whatever...
i doubt that we all the ppl in this earth were originally from Korea too :?:

Heres a story of how Korean had spent 6 days to created this world :P

創世記

太初,韓國人始創天地時,大地混沌一片,是個無邊無際的黑暗深淵,強風於水面刮掠。韓國人說:“要有光!”立刻就有光。韓國人見有光很好,就把光明與黑暗分開,稱光明為晝,黑暗為夜。於是黑夜臨,晨光現,是為第一天。

韓國人說:“要有一穹窿將水上下分隔!”於是他就造穹窿,將水分開,有水於穹窿之上,亦有水於穹窿之下。韓國人稱穹窿為天空。黑夜再臨,晨光再現,是為第二天。

韓國人說:“天下之水要彙於一處,使干涸土地顯露!”於是就出現土地。韓國人稱土地為陸,稱彙集之水為海。韓國人見如此很好。又說:“要大地生機蓬勃,地上要有能結實之樹木,果子要各有其籽實!”於是大地生機蓬勃,出現無數瓜果樹木,籽實累累。韓國人見如此很好。黑夜又臨,晨光再現,是為第三天。

韓國人說:“天穹中要有光體以區分晝夜,要使光體為節令與年月季候之標志,並使於天穹中發出光輝,照亮大地!”於是,韓國人造兩個巨大光體,較大之日司晝,較小之月掌夜,並造了星辰。韓國人把日月星辰置於天穹之中以照亮大地,司晝夜、分明暗。韓國人見如此很好。黑夜臨,晨光現,是為第四天。

韓國人說:“水中要有萬種遊魚,地上要有無數飛鳥”於是韓國人創造出種類繁多的大小魚類及飛鳥。韓國人見如此很好。於是賜福與他們,說:“讓海中遊魚,天上飛鳥滋生繁衍!”黑夜臨,晨光現,是為第五天。

韓國人說:“地上要有爬蟲走獸,大小牲畜,各從其類!”韓國人就創造走獸,牲畜和爬行動物,各從其類。韓國人見如此很。他說:“要按我形像造人以治理海中遊魚、空中飛鳥以及地上各種爬蟲走獸。”於是,韓國人按自己形像造出人類,造出男與女。韓國人祝福他們說:“你們要生育繁衍,散布及開拓全世界,要做海中魚、空中鳥與地上爬蟲走獸之主宰!”韓國人還說:“我要使地上到處生長瓜果,結滿籽實,賜與你們為食。我要把青草綠樹全賜飛禽走獸、遊魚爬蟲、以及一切生物為食。”話語間一切均成現實。韓國人見到所造之一切,他十分滿意。黑夜臨,晨光現,是為第六日。

天地萬物已造齊。到第六日,韓國人造物工作全部完畢。第七天,他停止工作。韓國人賜福於第七天,稱之為聖日,因那天他要做的一切都已完成,無須工作了。

這就是韓國人開天闢地的故事。

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Postby matt_f » Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:15 am

送南朝鲜人八个字

手淫强身,意淫强国

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will it be great?!

Postby nibaba6 » Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:26 pm

Will it be great if you say that Africa people invents English, English people invents Franch, etc.?

Korean is the only people that invented two language in the world and history. Why Korean does not use Chinese character any more? You suicide your culture!

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韩国棒子怎么这么愚蠢?

Postby donoiz » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:22 pm

大家好,
  我是一个地地道道的中国人,从课堂和图书馆了解了中国和其他国家的历史与文化。我不像韩国人那样无知,我从来不会说灯泡是中国发明的,因为那是韩国人的做法。
韩国人那样狂热地去推广所谓的“大韩文化”。但是韩国人在“盗版”的过程中不要高兴的太早。
围棋在中国延续几千年了,韩国人居然说这是他们发明的。太无知了!请韩国人看看吧,在中国开设的跆拳道道馆里面,我们会诚实地告诉学生跆拳道是朝鲜发明的;而韩国人到中国学习中医之后回去却说是“韩医”。相比之下,韩国人是多么地无耻!
谁说“13亿打败不了一个4千万的民族”?要明白。在古代你们用的是纯粹的汉字!是中国的附属国!如果要想消灭你,你现在就不存在了。
 如果韩国的制陶业一直是世界的先驱的话,那中国为什么叫"China"?
I can't believe that korean people are soo ingnorant about their own history!!
 韩国人居然对他们的历史是这样的无知!!
everyone knowes that japanese and korean both derived from chinese, why waste your time with this crap?


korean ! be honest ! If you need respect , please be honest !

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Postby mdavid35 » Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:14 am

The first emperor of China has a last name 'bear'.Korean's ancient Kingdom Koguryo is basically called 'Maek' race, and Maek is some kind of bear. There are lots of bear related ancient names throughout the whole Korea. Some heads of chinese dynasties could be korean too.


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