Korean invented chinese language

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sigma6
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Interesting thread...

Postby sigma6 » Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:49 am

The thread is getting kinda silly

Not too sure about the youtube links, but I believe the maps are pretty accurate.

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Chinese language and Korean langauge

Postby mike2008 » Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:39 am

Dear All,

Rationally speaking, the fact may be like this:

* Korean originally had their own language, which was independent from Chinese language.

* During Tang Dynasty of China, Korean adopted Chinese characters in their language.

* At some stage of recent centuries, Korean removed Chinese characters from their language again.

It is not a rare thing in anthropology that different tribes' culture influence each other. The Han tribe Chinese itself has a mixture of many tribes' culture. For example, Buddhism was not from China but was brought to China by those minority tribes that lived in Xi-yu, or the western regions, which are the current Xinjiang and mid-asia. However, it became one of the main religion of whole China.

As for Chinese language, from its several thousands years of history, it should be said as originated from China instead of from Korea.

As an anthropological fact, many Asian languages have adopted some Chinese characters. It seemed that the Chinese did not colonize them to force this, but that they proactively went to China to learn Chinese culture by themselves during China's Tang dynasty, which was about 1000 years ago.

You can see a lot of Chinese characters in Japanese language. Additionally, the current Japanese culture is nearly a full copy of China's Tang Dynasty culture including its architecture, clothing, food etc.

Vietnamese language also adopted Chinese characters. Then when being occupied by French, I think they made the language latinized.

I actually have found that Koreans are systematically claiming their cultural independence from Chinese culture. It might because when China's economy is fast developing they feel threatened.

The aggressive gesture of China comes from China's governing regime which is still a Communist regime like the former Soviet Union. China's aggressiveness does not come from Chinese culture itself. It is a residue of the confrontation between the Communist camp and the free world camp during Stalin and Mao's time.

The Chinese culture itself is very peaceful and non-aggressive. So take it easy.

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Postby pendagun2008 » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:42 am

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Postby silenceshm » Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:22 am

faint~~~

i don't know if the korea's history is an imagination. but u korean must know one thing ---- the history is not yours for u announce it is yours. the language , the celebrities, and others are same.

ive to say korean always make me sick...

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Postby korean1 » Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:16 am

what makes me sick is people like "peterkim" posing as a korean trying to make koreans look like idiots and bring hate to korea. The original poster was "peter" not "peterkim." "peterkim" is probably chinese posing as a korean, trying to be a comedian, I know chinese people like doing that.. Look at his posts... He starts off fairly decent but gets more and more ridiculous as he goes on posing. He starts talking about samsung, worldcup, archery, kimchi, he double posts the same facts over and over, HE IS OBVIOUSLY A POSER TRYING TO MAKE KOREANS LOOK LIKE IDIOTS AND YOU ALL ARE FALLING FOR IT. WAKE UP!!! Then the kicker, He starts talking about garlic and green onions and about "al" and eggs etc.. Then he says lao tzu was korean everyone knows he was chinese!! Haven't you people realized by now that he is obviously clowning around? Hes doing a PARODY !! No but you all fall for it, then now you will talk shit about korean this korean that.. Lots of these ridiculous claims are from the INTERNET!! NOT FROM REAL PEOPLE!! Do you believe everything you read?? Koreans claiming confucius was korean or koreans built the great wall of china or korea invent chinese characters?? Do you think Koreans actually believe that?? It's as ridiculous as the Chinese claiming Goguryeo as Chinese. I myself and majority of Koreans know that korean culture is largely influenced by chinese culture. How can we not we are neighboring countries. Ancient Chinese culture is very huge and vast just like the Roman or Greek cultures. I want to tell the chinese people especially the young chinese to not believe everything they read on the internet. There are people out there that are trying to bring hate to Korea, It may be Chinese, Japanese, American, who knows..

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Re: Korean invented chinese language

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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby matthew.t » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:32 pm

Great, it help me a lot.

Thanks a ton.

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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby djjagu » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:11 am

..Any of you guys taken a look at that thread? It's just a bunch of koreans or pro-koreans hacking the topic into mincemeat by shouting insults at a couple of chinese (or pro-chinese) who are determined to return the favor. I do have a simple question though, for those of you knowledgeable in this field.
There's a lot of talk on that thread about some ancient korean history books which chronicle their 9200 year history or something. Since when did koreans have a writing system anytime before the common era(time of christ)?

Here's the quote:
"Sukgeun Jung" <skjung@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:an2iib$kb6$1@gamera.cbl.umces.edu...
As today in 2002, the history of Korea is exactly 9,200 years, not vaguely
> 5,000 years. The number of year is not vague at al. Several ancient Korean
> history books recorded it. Whether you believe it or not is another
> question. The 9,200 years is not related to any religious belief, as the
> history books (such as Taebaek ilsa) are not religious texts
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby djjagu » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:18 am

..Any of you guys taken a look at that thread? It's just a bunch of koreans or pro-koreans hacking the topic into mincemeat by shouting insults at a couple of chinese (or pro-chinese) who are determined to return the favor. I do have a simple question though, for those of you knowledgeable in this field.
There's a lot of talk on that thread about some ancient korean history books which chronicle their 9200 year history or something. Since when did koreans have a writing system anytime before the common era(time of christ)?

Here's the quote:
"Sukgeun Jung" <skjung@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:an2iib$kb6$1@gamera.cbl.umces.edu...
As today in 2002, the history of Korea is exactly 9,200 years, not vaguely
> 5,000 years. The number of year is not vague at al. Several ancient Korean
> history books recorded it. Whether you believe it or not is another
> question. The 9,200 years is not related to any religious belief, as the
> history books (such as Taebaek ilsa) are not religious texts
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby djjagu » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:22 am

..Any of you guys taken a look at that thread? It's just a bunch of koreans or pro-koreans hacking the topic into mincemeat by shouting insults at a couple of chinese (or pro-chinese) who are determined to return the favor. I do have a simple question though, for those of you knowledgeable in this field.
There's a lot of talk on that thread about some ancient korean history books which chronicle their 9200 year history or something. Since when did koreans have a writing system anytime before the common era(time of christ)?

Here's the quote:
"Sukgeun Jung" <skjung@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:an2iib$kb6$1@gamera.cbl.umces.edu...
As today in 2002, the history of Korea is exactly 9,200 years, not vaguely
> 5,000 years. The number of year is not vague at al. Several ancient Korean
> history books recorded it. Whether you believe it or not is another
> question. The 9,200 years is not related to any religious belief, as the
> history books (such as Taebaek ilsa) are not religious texts
TANKS FOR THIS POST.GUYS


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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby 琵琶侠客芙蓉剑 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:16 am

看来这个主题也要过时了,最近又有说道朱元璋和秦兵佣都是韩国的,其实不用隔三差五这么辛苦的搬我们5000多年的历史文物,真要完全搬过去要你们多少代才能完成大国梦啊,直接承认是中国人不就行了吗!
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby 琵琶侠客芙蓉剑 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:52 am

我记得有一则报道:韩国圆光大学教授苏镇辙与众多韩国学者到广西南宁市邕宁区百济乡考察。根据考察结果,苏镇辙认为广西百济乡是韩国古代国家百济的领土,紧接着韩国媒体全部跟着教授唱,只是两者都为百济,就因为是教授就可以直接这样下断论吗?那历史又何曾不会是广西百济乡是韩国古代国家百济人的祖先。只是因要满足那自卑心态两三句就可以改变历史事实吗?对历史研究如此的不严谨那这教授也太名不副实了吧!
说到此,对于韩国部分教授及人这样的窃盗手法真是司空见惯,只是感觉很可悲又可笑,拿着俸禄的科学工作者及教授们没在为他们的人民谋福祉却要挖空心思嫁接他国有名人物及动物等以满足虚荣心为主业。
说中文是韩国发明,以为凭空一番乱作就可以以假乱真,任何一门语言都是历史不断的产物,更何况汉语出现的时候还没韩国这个国家,怎么就成你们发明了?既然是你们发明,为什么韩国人又不用汉语而是14亿中国人在用?

汉字体系正式形成于中原地区
王蕴智认为,汉字体系的正式形成应该是在中原地区。汉字是独立起源的一种文字体系,不依存于任何一种外族文字而存在,但它的起源不是单一的,经过了多元的、长期的磨合,大概在进入夏纪年之际,先民们在广泛吸收、运用早期符号的经验基础上,创造性地发明了用来记录语言的文字符号系统,在那个时代,汉字体系较快地成熟起来。
据悉,从考古发掘的出土文字资料来看,中国至少在虞夏时期已经有了正式的文字。如近年考古工作者曾经在山西襄汾陶寺遗址所出的一件扁陶壶上,发现有毛笔朱书的“文”字。这些符号都属于早期文字系统中的基本构形,可惜这样的出土文字信息迄今仍然稀少。
文字最早成熟于商代
就目前所知和所见到的殷商文字资料来说,文字载体的门类已经很多。当时的文字除了用毛笔书写在简册上之外,其他的主要手段就是刻写在龟甲兽骨、陶器、玉石上以及陶铸在青铜器上。商代文字资料以殷墟卜用甲骨和青铜礼器为主要载体,是迄今为止中国发现的最早的成熟文字。
殷墟时期所反映出来的商代文字不仅表现在字的数量多,材料丰富,还突出地表现在文字的造字方式已经形成了自己的特点和规律。商代文字基本字的结体特征可分为四大类:取人体和人的某一部分形体特征为构字的基础;以劳动创造物和劳动对象为构字的基础;取禽兽和家畜类形象为构字的基础;取自然物象为构字的基础。从构形的文化内涵上来考察,这些成熟较早的字形所取裁的对象与当初先民们的社会生活相当贴近,具有很强的现实性的特征。同时,这些字形所描写的内容涉及到了人和自然的各个层面,因而还具有构形来源广泛性的特征。


一中语言文字要经历多少代才得以完善,中国5000年的历史也是汉字的演变史,每一朝代的事迹都是以汉字为记载,也没见什么时候用过汉字记载它们仅有的历史啊?围棋你们下得好了,只能说明你们很多人喜欢围棋到一定深度了,哪天你们下麻将厉害了是不是也要说是你们发明的,这样的话全宇宙都可以是你们的了,不是你说是就是的?
不知道你们种种到底是何种用心,但请记住,群众的眼睛是血亮的,不要以为你指鹿为马大家就真当它是马了?
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby chocochoco » Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:56 am

nja, or 'Sino-Korean characters', means the Chinese characters used in Korea, parallel to Japanese kanji. The sound of the characters is quite Koreanized, but the meanings are almost exactly the same throughout in Korea, China, and Japan. Getting oriented with some of the basic hanja's will help you to learn the Far Eastern culture in general. (It will also make you look learned, for hanja knowledge has been taken as a symbol of intelligence.)

Chinese characters are introduced to Korea more than two thousand years ago. Since Koreans did not have their own writing system until 1446 when King Sejong and the scholars in his Royal Academy (Chiphyonjon) invented Hunmin chong-um, the original version of Hangul, the writing system of China was employed as their official writing system in the very early times of history. The Korean language has thus received a vast influence from Chinese over the long period of time, especially in terms of its vocabulary.

Chinese-based parts of the language still prevails a huge portion even in present-day Korean. The Korean number system would make a good example. Korean, like Japanese, has two sets of numbers: native Korean and Sino-Korean. Koreans do use the native Korean numbers, but the Sino-Korean set is also used as much. When you tell time, you use the native numbers for the hour, while using the Sino-Korean numbers for the minutes and seconds: e.g., tu-shi iship-pun samship-ch`o (two-o'cklock twenty-minute thirty-second: 2:20:30, where tu is native Korean and i is Sino-Korean for 'two'.)
I think Chinese and Korean should be closer!

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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby athelus » Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:12 pm

I don't really understand discussions like these... 'Korea' and 'China' as we know them today didn't exist at the time the languages were coming into being. And even then, language is constantly changing, it doesn't get created in a fixed period of time and then stay the same forever.
Take English- pretty much any european country can claim they actually 'invented' it, languages like French and Flemmish and Latin were spoken in Britain long before anyone spoke English. But claiming the French invented English is silly because France as we know it today didn't exist when modern English started to form. Neither for that matter did England- fixed state boundries didn't even exist until the 16th century.

The point is, any simmilarities between Chinese and Korean don't come from one country inventing the language and another borrowing it, but rather from centuries of shared culture. Those elements of shared culture have existed long before China and Korea were formed, and will probably still exist long after China and Korea are gone.


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