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by amhoanna
Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:53 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien words in Thai
Replies: 145
Views: 133184

Re: Hokkien words in Thai

Here's a closely related thread over at Thai Language dot com: http://www.thai-language.com/forums/t/linguistics/transliteration/t2170 Interesting discussion of land-based loans vs sea-based loans. Thai Language hosts probably the best Thai-English-Thai dictionary on the web. Somebody compiled a pag...
by amhoanna
Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:31 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien words in Thai
Replies: 145
Views: 133184

Re: Hokkien words in Thai

Thanks, SimL. It's great to be here. I must've stumbled across some of you guys' comments as far back as 2006. Good stuff! I promised myself I would come over and do some reading as soon as I had time. When I lived in N America, I knew a good number of people from the same background as your acquain...
by amhoanna
Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:29 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Literary and vernacular pronunciations in Lan Nang Oe
Replies: 1
Views: 5338

Re: Literary and vernacular pronunciations in Lan Nang Oe

Hi, Dante. I'm not Tsinoy, but maybe I can help. My impressions of Lanlang'oe as spoken in Binondo and Sugbo is that it's very pure, very original... Probably purer than what we speak in Taiwan and elsewhere. If you could send what you already have, I'll look through it and see what I can do.
by amhoanna
Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:50 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien in Penang
Replies: 19
Views: 23246

Re: Hokkien in Penang

That's a whale of a topic. We should start a thread on it if there isn't one out there already. I think I know exactly what you're talking about. I've come across the same kinds of reactions. And what's really strange is how consistent this behavior is. There's almost no individual variation. That's...
by amhoanna
Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:55 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien in Penang
Replies: 19
Views: 23246

Re: Hokkien in Penang

Hi, SimL. Seems that when Hokkien exported itself to "the colonies", the word "hoanná" became set in its meaning... So that today in Taiwan, for example, hoanná means exclusively Taiwanese aborigines... And old phrases like "Ji̍tpún hoan" sound strange. I doubt the Hokk...
by amhoanna
Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:45 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien words in Thai
Replies: 145
Views: 133184

Re: Hokkien words in Thai

Thanks, SimL! It's good to be here. Your post reminded me: I went to Phuket right after the Kiu'ong'ia festival. There were Kiu'ong'ia banners hanging everywhere. Considering the scale of the thing, it probably means that there's people who are culturally Thai for the most part but incorporate one o...
by amhoanna
Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:31 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien words in Thai
Replies: 145
Views: 133184

Re: Hokkien words in Thai

Hi, Niuc. When you say Bagan Hokkiens, do you mean Hokkiens that migrated to Bagansiapiapi, then spread out from there all over the islands? Do the Bagan Hokkiens have ties or similarities to the Hokkiens across the Straits in Klang or Melaka? I think I misused the word Lâm'iûⁿ. I wanted to say Ìnnî...
by amhoanna
Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:13 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien words in Thai
Replies: 145
Views: 133184

Re: Hokkien words in Thai

Interesting, Niuc. That sounds like Hokkiens all right, always sailing around. :P You're from Bagansiapiapi? I'd be interested to know more about Hokkien and Teochew down in the Lâm'iûⁿ. Nobody seems to talk about it much. Or maybe they do, but offline. :lol: I found this interesting article about H...
by amhoanna
Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:13 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien in Penang
Replies: 19
Views: 23246

Re: Hokkien in Penang

I play the "no speak Mandarin" card too sometimes. I'ma get back on it again soon, with a vengeance! I don't think you had to worry about the Mandarin-calqued vocabulary giving you away, not necessarily. It could've been "explained away" as coming from being able to speak Cantone...
by amhoanna
Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:27 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien words in Thai
Replies: 145
Views: 133184

Re: Hokkien words in Thai

I agree with "unity over differences". 100%. As a practical matter, in commerce, education, etc., it helps to think of Teochew, Hokkien, and Penang Hokkien as one language. Whether speakers believe this is another matter. On borrowing, what you said is generally true. But there's still a m...
by amhoanna
Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:28 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien in Penang
Replies: 19
Views: 23246

Re: Hokkien in Penang

Ah, yes, the Amoy-Taiwan blank stare. Gotta love it. I talk to people in Holo and they go "HUH?" Something about my appearance deactivated their Holo listening skills. Happens less if I wear blue-white flipflops and a motorbike helmet, in Taiwan at least. As far as cities go, Tailam and Co...
by amhoanna
Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:03 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien words in Thai
Replies: 145
Views: 133184

Re: Hokkien words in Thai

I remember reading a paper on the history of Sino settlement in what became Metro Bangkok. Maybe someone else has a link for it? At one point, most of the Sinos in the area were Hokkien. The Teochews came later. The Hokkiens had all kinds of royal ties :P at that point and they got together to shut ...

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