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by AndrewAndrew
Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:07 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Tone Neutralization in Penang Hokkien (academic paper)
Replies: 1
Views: 10815

Tone Neutralization in Penang Hokkien (academic paper)

http://www.academia.edu/5132554/Complete_and_not-so-complete_tonal_neutralization_in_Penang_Hokkien

Confirms two of our hypotheses:
- Sandhi form of 3rd tone is a high level tone.
- 2nd tone in young Penangites can materialise as a high rising tone.
by AndrewAndrew
Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:48 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Discussion: Taiwanese Grammar by Philip T. Lin
Replies: 3
Views: 14083

Re: Discussion: Taiwanese Grammar by Philip T. Lin

He only mentions Penang Hokkien in the introductory chapter. The rest is only about Taiwanese Hokkien.

You don't need an ebook reader; you can get a Kindle reader app for Mac or iOS
by AndrewAndrew
Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:01 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Discussion: Taiwanese Grammar by Philip T. Lin
Replies: 3
Views: 14083

Re: Discussion: Taiwanese Grammar by Philip T. Lin

Thanks for the review, Abun. I have now downloaded this book and am enjoying going through it. Am impressed that the author is familiar with Penang Hokkien and has already mentioned it several times in the introductory chapters!
by AndrewAndrew
Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:55 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Ut-chut 鬱卒
Replies: 1
Views: 10880

Ut-chut 鬱卒

What is the meaning of this word? When my mother says it, the meaning I draw is of something being awkward or out of place which makes you feel uncomfortable, but in Taiwan it means to feel depressed and frustrated.
by AndrewAndrew
Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:50 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Medhurst, Si̍p-ngó͘ Im and Chiang-chiu Phonology
Replies: 19
Views: 44029

Re: Medhurst, Si̍p-ngó͘ Im and Chiang-chiu Phonology

I think there should be two systems, Hanji and romanisation. Each should be capable of being written independently, but of course people can mix and interchange the two where necessary. I don't think hiragana is politically suitable or technically suited to Hokkien phonology. As for Hanji standardis...
by AndrewAndrew
Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:15 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Medhurst, Si̍p-ngó͘ Im and Chiang-chiu Phonology
Replies: 19
Views: 44029

Re: Medhurst, Si̍p-ngó͘ Im and Chiang-chiu Phonology

I carried out an amateur research project in "cross-dialectal comparative Hokkien-Teochew etymo-phonology", for the purpose of creating a cross-dialectal system of kana to be used together with kanji for writing Hoklo. Conclusion was that the system would be so complex that only linguists...
by AndrewAndrew
Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:28 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Penang Hokkien lessons
Replies: 47
Views: 93096

Re: Penang Hokkien lessons

I was going to say I thought they sounded like an English-speaker having trouble forming complex Hokkien sentences, and maybe question whether it was not part of the continuum of a creolised/patois language, and whether those of us who knew Mandarin might be stricter on the grammar (e.g. 我去先 is perf...
by AndrewAndrew
Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:22 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Second Edition of de Gijzel - a review
Replies: 2
Views: 12658

Re: Second Edition of de Gijzel - a review

This new edition of the Penang Hokkien dictionary is the most thorough reference guide to a unique form of Hokkien widely spoken in and around Penang today. Hokkien is a fairly old language, introduced more than two centuries ago by settlers from Southern China’s Fujian province. In an atmosphere o...
by AndrewAndrew
Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:26 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Penang Hokkien lessons
Replies: 47
Views: 93096

Re: Penang Hokkien lessons

Well, no point complaining. You'll just have to publish your dictionary!

The number of entries is quite impressive. The most common errors in the IPA seem to be [-k] in places that should be [-?], e.g. lots of [-ok] endings which are impossible in Hokkien.
by AndrewAndrew
Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:00 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Second Edition of de Gijzel - a review
Replies: 2
Views: 12658

Re: Second Edition of de Gijzel - a review

Great review - where is the book being sold?
by AndrewAndrew
Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:39 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Pronunciation of Romanized Hokkien
Replies: 8
Views: 18484

Re: Pronunciation of Romanized Hokkien

How should we pronounce Law Choo Kiang and Law Heng Kiang? In my opinion, we should pronounce the two people's names according to how they want them to be pronounced. We shouldn't re-spell their name simply to be phonetically precise. Life is never near, it is full of quarks and we should accept th...
by AndrewAndrew
Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:31 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Tan Choon Hoe and I
Replies: 10
Views: 21171

Re: Tan Choon Hoe and I

ARRRGGH! This never fails to annoy me. Where is this mythical "Standard Hokkien" people are always mentioning? To have a standard, something must be standardised. Taiwanese Hokkien, with the backing of the ROC government, is the only variety of Hokkien that is even coming close to being s...
by AndrewAndrew
Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:06 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Pronunciation of Romanized Hokkien
Replies: 8
Views: 18484

Re: Pronunciation of Romanized Hokkien

PS many of us, e.g. Mark and I, are non-native speakers who learnt Penang Hokkien as adults, so we do know what it is like to be a non-native learner.
by AndrewAndrew
Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:33 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Pronunciation of Romanized Hokkien
Replies: 8
Views: 18484

Re: Pronunciation of Romanized Hokkien

Tim It is often said that you can recognise a Chinese dialectologist from the fact that he has invented his own romanisation. Pretty much every dialectologist around thinks he can come up with a better romanisation than those that have preceded him. The difference is that most dialectologists have a...
by AndrewAndrew
Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:56 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Malaysian dialect map
Replies: 2
Views: 12984

Malaysian dialect map

I've been looking for a Chinese dialect map of Malaysia, and came across this: http://www.joshuaproject.net/people-profile.php?peo3=11344&rog3=MY Does anyone know a better source? It would be nice to know where Hokkien ends and Cantonese begins, which towns are Teochew and Hokchiu, and to see th...

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