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by tadpole
Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:38 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien words without written (Mandarin) characters?
Replies: 18
Views: 15583

Re: Hokkien words without written (Mandarin) characters?

I don't really agree that it's a fact about She. You've given one example of vocabulary as opposed to the ten or so given by Yue-Hashimoto. Added to that, you have assumed that She referred to the same group eight hundred years ago as it does now in the PRC. She is a big group, mind you. The fact t...
by tadpole
Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:11 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien words without written (Mandarin) characters?
Replies: 18
Views: 15583

Re: Hokkien words without written (Mandarin) characters?

I am not sure about this. The She 畲 relationship is certainly proven for Hakka and the Sinitic languages of the mountains, but I don't think it is the case for Hokkien. Ethnicity-wise there is nothing to prove here. It is a fact. 漳州 was full of She people, as documented in the famous Southern Song ...
by tadpole
Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:49 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Penang Hokkien vs Medan Hokkien
Replies: 22
Views: 27586

Re: Penang Hokkien vs Medan Hokkien

1. 喙 means beak and not mouth. Not true in ancient times. http://www.kangxizidian.com/kangxi/0198.gif 說文 has it listed simply as "mouth". 2. 喙 has the sound Hui in mandarin, Fui in cantonese. Usually a Hui in mandarin would translate to Hui in minnan too. But 喙 is a YinQu tone category wo...
by tadpole
Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:43 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien words without written (Mandarin) characters?
Replies: 18
Views: 15583

Re: Hokkien words without written (Mandarin) characters?

Can someone enlighten me? I've just read Russell Jones' Chinese loan-words in Malay and Indonesian (University of Malaya Press, 2009) which is for me an informative book about the various Hokkien subdialects of those who migrated to the Nanyang. But Jones states there is no Mandarin/Chinese charact...
by tadpole
Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:21 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: A few questions
Replies: 37
Views: 34985

Re:

POJ has tones 1-8 yet the 6th is exactly the same as the 2nd. I'm just wondering why they don't call the 7th as 6th and 8th as 7th. I haven't seen it in any book though. Because Middle Chinese had 8 tones, and all modern Chinese dialects evolved from this 8-tone system. It is a big mistake to say t...
by tadpole
Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:00 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Origin of stereotony, solved
Replies: 0
Views: 2793

Origin of stereotony, solved

Hi, http://www.pkucn.com/viewthread.php?tid=245215&extra=page%3D1 I think I may have finally found the right explanation for Hokkien's stereotony. I am so excited. In short, pre-sinicized Hokkien almost certainly was a tone-less language, and used topic markers much like Japanese or Korean. If y...
by tadpole
Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:33 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien Minnan Architecture (& language / culture etc)
Replies: 26
Views: 21730

Re: Hokkien Minnan Architecture (& language / culture etc)

Oh, I forgot to add that Ah-bin perceives the following three points about Penang Hokkien: 1. Tone-1, a highish level tone, is lower than Tone-1 in other variants of Hokkien, perhaps 44 or 33 instead of 55. This is very standard in Teochew dialect, where Tone-1's running and standing tones coincide...
by tadpole
Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:40 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Why the Quanzhou 8 tones are important
Replies: 7
Views: 10434

Re: Why the Quanzhou 8 tones are important

xng wrote:There's no such thing as a single 'SEA hokkien', each region or state has their own hokkien dialect.


I guess we all know that.
by tadpole
Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:38 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Why the Quanzhou 8 tones are important
Replies: 7
Views: 10434

Re: Why the Quanzhou 8 tones are important

http://www.huachengnz.com/article/view_22544_1.html This article has a good description of the chaotic situation in Zhangzhou in Southern Song period. It also has a good discussion on the historical attitude of people towards the Chinese character 閩. As for Hmong, there are plenty of clips on Youtu...
by tadpole
Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:47 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Why the Quanzhou 8 tones are important
Replies: 7
Views: 10434

Re: Why the Quanzhou 8 tones are important

If all the "y" vowel is "i" vowel in zhangzhou, then why is it that Penang hokkien use 'Lu' instead ? I am frankly not expert in Penang Hokkien. My experience in SEA Hokkien is only through Youtube clips, where I can notice some features that are closer to Quanzhou. 你/汝 's pronu...
by tadpole
Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:49 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Why the Quanzhou 8 tones are important
Replies: 7
Views: 10434

Re: Why the Quanzhou 8 tones are important

Internet is amazing. Now I finally found some Quanzhou teaching material on line! http://bbs.qzwb.com/thread-3962-1-1.html For Southeast Asian Hokkien people (Singapore, Malaysia), you guys will probably find the accent familiar, but vocabulary a bit different. The mainstream Hokkien has been very m...
by tadpole
Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:20 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Why the Quanzhou 8 tones are important
Replies: 7
Views: 10434

Why the Quanzhou 8 tones are important

Per Mark Yong's suggestion, I am posting a separate thread. This is what I just posted yesterday in the Peking University Forum: http://www.pkucn.com/viewthread.php?tid=244697&pid=1218583451&page=1&extra=page%3D1#pid1218583451 For those that cannot read Chinese well, basically I was poin...
by tadpole
Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:32 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: 闽南语学习网 & 闽南语教程
Replies: 44
Views: 24370

Re: 闽南语学习网 & 闽南语教程

Hi xng, I had a look on the ucla site http://solution.cs.ucla.edu/~jinbo/dzl/. I tried a few queries and got these results: 爹 dia1 鐵 tiat7, ti7 放 hong5, bang5 屁 pi5, pui5 瓜 gua1 開 kai1, kui1 This says to me that the site uses a “pinyin”-like orthography. Whenever I see that, I always ask myself how...
by tadpole
Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:18 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: 闽南语学习网 & 闽南语教程
Replies: 44
Views: 24370

Re: 闽南语学习网 & 闽南语教程

Everytime I see the teaching materials, I just feel sad. They bastardize the entire tonal aspect of the Hokkien language. Stereotony is the most precious aspect of the Hokkien language. It's what makes the language unique and special. The theoretical foundation is not even that complicated. Yet, for...
by tadpole
Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:02 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien pronounciation
Replies: 7
Views: 6408

Re: Hokkien pronounciation

niuc wrote:企 = qi3 = khi2 / khia7 (企業 khi2-giap8; 企鵝 khia7-go5) -> Please correct me if I am wrong.
宇 = yu3 = u2 (宇宙 u2-tiu7)


企業 khì-gia̍p khi3-giap8 (kicqiab)
宇宙 u2-tiu6 (uldiurl) "宙"泉州用陽上聲
恩 un1/in1 (yn)

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